So, God created the souls of men as obligate failures? And we blame Adam and Eve?
A biblical (and most obvious) example of this Satan himself; a being created by God, perfect in every aspect, yet destined to fall from grace with God's knowledge. Left to our own devices, our souls will fall by nature -- HD
If you are referring to the biblical passage about being created "perfect in every respect" that is not about Satan (many Christians try to tie it with Satan, but it is not about Satan at all but a pagan king who thought of himself as god; in those days, the Jews had no problem with Satan).
As regards angels, obviously many of them can do good without falling, so that must mean that God intentionally created one third of them to fail, as He did with all the people!
And, to add a little twist to this charade, He would have no mercy on the fallen angels who were simply created defective intentionally, but He would have mercy on some men who were also created intentionally as failures and the "surplus" of failed humanity is to be discarded like garbage -- all for the "glory" of God. What a wonderful religion Reformed Christianity is!
Left to our own devices, our souls will fall by nature -- HD
That is true but only because our will was corruopted by sin because of disobedience of Adam and Eve. But, of course, "disobedience" and "sin" cannot make sense unless they are soemhow tied to our free will and not a pre-recorded string of choices we are obligated to make.
We get our life from our parents the way life creates life in all living beings, and with it we get the defect of the will they inherited from theirs, all the way back to Adam and Eve.
but satan wasnt a human, he wasnt made in Gods image -- kawaii, #15,468
K, angels were created in the image of God as well (in the Torah they are referrefed to as the Sons of God, including the satan, who is treated as one of God's loyal messengers), but they have no autonomy, having been created as God's obligate servants.
Unlike man, the angels were not given dominion, but were created to "assist" God (which is a curious construct, since God is everywhere all the time and really doesn't need any assistants!).
I have more affinity for more of your points than the Calvinists
& thx 4 the pings.
Mostly it’s a wearying topic 2 me.