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To: Forest Keeper
As I said, "before the foundations"

No, FK, you said "This [God] knew from the beginning." My question is what beginning? If it is the beginning of the Creation, then He didn't know us before that. If it implies some other beginning, then eternity is not eternal, but subject to time. Therefore to say God knew from the beginning is incorrect; rather, God knows us for all eternity more properly expresses timlessness of God; the word beginning in not timless.

15,454 posted on 05/31/2007 10:31:15 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
FK: "As I said, "before the foundations"

No, FK, you said "This [God] knew from the beginning." My question is what beginning? If it is the beginning of the Creation, then He didn't know us before that. If it implies some other beginning, then eternity is not eternal, but subject to time. Therefore to say God knew from the beginning is incorrect; rather, God knows us for all eternity more properly expresses timlessness of God; the word beginning in not timeless.

OK, fine. :) Since "beginning" can be associated with the point of creation, I shouldn't have said it that way. I believe predestination occurs before the Biblical "beginning", so yes, I would say that He knew us for all eternity. I'll try to be more careful. :)

15,525 posted on 06/05/2007 3:39:30 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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