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To: Forest Keeper
I don't understand where the "Thus" comes from. Without scriptural support you are mixing God's timelessness with man's real time, and if I remember my Back to Future movies correctly, this sort of thing really should destroy the universe. :)

(a) Thanks for the homework assignment. I will spend the next while thinking of verses and passages that could be seen to support the idea.
(b) That's why we call the Incarnation a mystery fer cryin' out loud! That something bigger than the universe should be able to sneak into it as a zygote? That the ultimate source of all causation should, without pretending (as if He were a mere actor or liar), appear to allow Himself to be subject to the laws of physics - the basic ones like if you run a spike through a wrist, bones will break and blood will poor ... Yes, that when He took His first tottering steps the earth did not shatter under His feet, that when He suckled at His Holy Mother's breast He did not suck all the universe into himself, that when He spoke trees did not bend and break, walls did not crumble and fall, and all the earth's air did not blow off into space --

Yep. Mystery. Most amazing thing.

This is why, when in our recitation of the Creed we come to

Του δι΄ ημασ και δια την ημετεραν σωτηριαν, κατελθοντα εκ του Ουρανων καισαρκωθεντα εκ Πνεθματοσ Αγιου και Μαριασ της Παρθηενου, και ενανθρωπησαντα;
From the Liturgy of John Chrysostom
who for men and for our salvation came down from Heaven and became flesh from the Holy Spirit and Mary, and was made man.
From the Liturgy of John Chrysostom
in the old days we genuflected, and now we bow at the waist.
(of course, if it was me, and especially if I didn't remember that He did it for us precisely so that we could one day stand in His presence and gaze on His face, I would have recommended falling to the ground, and covering one's head with one's arms -- but that's just me.)

This is VERY big stuff. The Universe should have been destroyed. But God is really smart and really sneaky -- with us wicked, He is wily!

Yay! I needed and still need that wiliness every second!

Sorry, got carried away.

15,346 posted on 05/28/2007 5:25:27 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.)
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To: Mad Dawg
Note: serious Greek slips of the keyboard in the above. Should be a space between Kai and sarkothenta and Pneumatos should be Pneumatou.

Insufficient coffee. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

15,347 posted on 05/28/2007 5:35:43 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.)
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