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To: Ping-Pong
I wrote : Rather than saying we should check them against the Bible, it would be more correct to "check them against the Traditions given, both oral AND written", as Paul wrote the Thessalonians.

You responded :Jo kus, I can't agree with you here. The traditions of man can be very dangerous and change over time. God's Word does not.

Brother, I understand your disagreement, but you are confusing the nature of the word "tradition" as used in the Bible. Tradition means teaching. It is used BOTH in positive AND negative senses. In Thessalonians, it is used in the positive sense. This Tradition IS FROM GOD! Paul says so in Galatians chapter one. He says these teachings are NOT from man. Thus, his traditions, both orally and in written form, are from God. NO ONE tells us in the Bible that only written traditions are from God, while oral traditions are from men! Paul makes no such distinction.

On the other hand, there are teaching of men, the negative sense of "tradition" And example of this is Jesus' attack of the practice of Korban, which is an attempt to release one's responsibility to provide for one's parents, a breaking of God's commandment.

Thus, a Tradition is considered "of men" when it attempts to circumvent the Word of God. That is not what Apostolic Tradition, as Paul discusses it, does. It is from God, it does not circumvent God's commands!

There are many that will come in His name, disguised as men of God. We are to know them by their fruits but if we don't know the Word how will we know they are false teachers?

We can know God's Word by HEARING it, not necessarily READING it. Isn't that what Romans says?

Regards

15,315 posted on 05/27/2007 8:00:21 PM PDT by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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To: jo kus
Jo kus, in reading this post I don't believe we have an argument at all. I agree with what you are saying. Perhaps your earlier post threw me with the statement of he defends those Christians who never read the Bible - and he praises them!"

We can certainly learn whether we hear or read, however we will KNOW if the words are truly of God when we study ourselves.

James 1:26. If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

This is just one of the warnings about following man only and being taken in by his "vain" ideas. So, when you say, "We can know God's Word by HEARING it, not necessarily READING it. Isn't that what Romans says?", I will agree but at the same time think it very important that we read it for ourselves.

Isaiah 28:9 Whom shall He teach knowledge? and whom shall He make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10.For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little.

Not many teach in that manner today. It is easy to make scripture fit your doctrine if a verse is cherry picked but difficult to do if you "rightly divide the word"

11Timothy 2:15 Study to shew theyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16.But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17.And their word will eat as doth a canker.....

How does one know those "vain babblings" or if they have "rightly divided" unless they read themselves?

....Ping

15,345 posted on 05/28/2007 4:57:22 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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