[Mad Dawg]

Does it help to mention that Aristotle says time is the measure of motion (which includes any change)? If you have change, I think you have sequence - one thing (or state) following another. So you have before and after. AND it would seem that to perceive a change is to change.

One of the reasons Whitehead gets read at all is that it's hard to think about an unchanging GHHITS (Great Hoo Hoo in the Sky - or god of the philosophers) who has any kind of relation with things that change but does not change itself. In other words, if you're confused, you're in some very high-falutin' company.

I haven't read Augustine on time - though I must have years ago since he talks about it in the Confession. I sure don't remember what he says.

[Forest Keeper]

Does it help to mention that Aristotle says time is the measure of motion (which includes any change)? If you have change, I think you have sequence - one thing (or state) following another. So you have before and after. AND it would seem that to perceive a change is to change.

Yes, thank you. That sounds like a good way to look at it.