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To: annalex
Does not look that way, unless by "genuine" you mean "Catholic" or "Orthodox" in the modern sense:

Modern Roman Catholics and "Orthodoxy" both deny the Blood of Christ, therefore are not "genuine".

Chapter 6. Unbelievers in the blood of Christ shall be condemned.
Let no man deceive himself. Both the things which are in heaven, and the glorious angels, and rulers, both visible and invisible, if they believe not in the blood of Christ, shall, in consequence, incur condemnation.

Rome denies the Blood of Christ, most particularly, through it's dogma of penance, which atonement for sins committed after baptism must be made by the sinner, which denies the sufficiency of the Blood of Christ to have been the full and total payment for sin.

Rome has also perverted the Gospel by making other dogmas necessary elements which absolutely must be believed in order to be saved, such as the Assumption of Mary, the Immaculate Conception, Purgatory, papal infallibility, penance and subservience to the pope of Rome as the supreme ruler of the church.

In reality, the Roman Catholic religion looks nothing like the early primitive Church at all.

By the way, you are aware that the seven Epistles of Ignatius from which you cited are disputed as spurious don't you?

15,208 posted on 05/25/2007 10:11:10 AM PDT by Risky-Riskerdo
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To: Risky-Riskerdo
In reality, the Roman Catholic religion looks nothing like the early primitive Church at all.

Like I said before (and you conveniently took off running), you obviously haven't read "Against Heresies", and I find it equally unlikely you have read anything else the men of the first two centuries of the common era wrote. If you actually DID read them, you would have a serious change of heart.

Again, read them yourself. Not just clips out of context that try to prove something that is an outright lie.

Regards

15,212 posted on 05/25/2007 10:27:57 AM PDT by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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To: Risky-Riskerdo
dogma of penance, which atonement for sins committed after baptism must be made by the sinner

You misunderstand what the Church teaches. Penance does not atone for anything. After the sin is forgiven in a sacramental confession, the priest assigns penance for the benefit of the penitent, but the sin is forgiven the moment the priest absolves it, and not after the penance is done. This is a common misunderstanding.

making other dogmas necessary elements which absolutely must be believed in order to be saved

This is right in the Nicene Creed though. Credo unam sanctam catolicam apostolicam ecclisiam. Bind and loose.

disputed as spurious

Duh. We live in the age of charlatans.

the original says, "repentance".

The original says "metanoiete", which literally means "change your mind". The question is which translation is best reflecting the intention of the speaker, and since St. John who issued the call can best be described as doing penance rather than thinking repentant thoughts, Douay (it actually follows Jerome's "penitentiam agite") is the most accurate in essence.

15,237 posted on 05/25/2007 3:03:41 PM PDT by annalex
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