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To: Blogger
But according to the Greek Lexicon (Thayers), when coupled with ou, it means up to the time when Jesus was born.

But says nothing about after...

That's what I said, and that is what the Church has said when the question came up.

The strong implication is that Joseph and Mary had normal relations as a married couple

Only if you already believe that in your mind. There is no evidence from that Scripture that Mary and Joseph had sex AFTER the birth of Christ. Considering HOW Mary conceived a child, do you think Joseph would want any part of that sort of relationship with Mary?

They also had children together as James was Jesus' half-brother.

What makes you think James and Jesus had the same mother?

Please do not clip from an apologetics site. Look at the lexicon yourself to find out any special context concerning the word in question. I did

I am giving you examples of the use of "til" when it does not mean something happens AFTER the fact. I will continue to use apologetic sites, rather than comb the Scriptures for myself when the time requires it. Do you think I have nothing better to do than pore over Thayers to prove you wrong when someone already has done it?

Regards

1,511 posted on 12/15/2006 10:53:05 AM PST by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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To: jo kus

Your examples are not valid because there are certain rules of language- which is why I pointed you to the lexicon.

Also, one does not build doctrine on what Scripture DOESN'T SAY. If one did, I could say that Joseph didn't die but was taken up by Space aliens. Hey, the Bible doesn't say he wasn't - and you know what, an apparition told me it happened so that must be proof enough.

Sorry. You have to talk your way around way too many Scriptures to say that Mary and Joseph's relationship was anything other than a normal marriage after Jesus' birth.

Since you already think I have been disproven and refuse to look at the lexicon - I guess I will allow you to think whatever you will. You will believe what you want to believe rather than searching it out for yourself. Oh well.


1,512 posted on 12/15/2006 11:01:23 AM PST by Blogger
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To: jo kus
"There is no evidence from that Scripture that Mary and Joseph had sex AFTER the birth of Christ."

On the contrary! There's plenty of evidence they did and none that they didn't. Although the strength of that evidence doesn't allow for a firm conclusion, it is stronger than no evidence at all, which is what the perpetual virgin claim has to support it.

1,534 posted on 12/15/2006 12:39:13 PM PST by spunkets
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