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To: Risky-Riskerdo; jo kus
RR, I see you also mentioned Saint John Chrysostom. and tried to tie him to solo Scripture

Here is what else Blessed Saint John Chrysostom had to say...

“Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you have been taught, whether by word or by our letter. From this it is clear that they did not hand down everything by letter, but there was much also that was not written. Like that which was written, the unwritten too is worthy of belief. So let us regard the tradition of the Church as worthy of belief. Is it a tradition? Seek no further.” Homilies on the Second Epistle to the Thessalonians 4:2, 398-404 A.D..

And you also mentioned Blessed Saint Irenaeus.

Here is what he also had to say....

“Those, therefore, who desert the preaching of the Church, call in question the knowledge of the holy presbyters, not taking into consideration of how much greater consequence is a religious man, even in a private station, than a blasphemous and impudent sophist. Now, such are all the heretics, and those who imagine that they have hit upon something more beyond the truth, so that by following those things already mentioned, proceeding on their way variously, in harmoniously, and foolishly, not keeping always to the same opinions with regard to the same things, as blind men are led by the blind, they shall deservedly fall into the ditch of ignorance lying in their path, ever seeking and never finding out the truth. It behooves us, therefore, to avoid their doctrines, and to take careful heed lest we suffer any injury from them; but to flee to the Church, and be brought up in her bosom, and be nourished with the Lord’s Scriptures.” Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 5,20:2 (A.D. 180).

And you also mentioned Blessed Gregory of Nyssa

Here is what he also had to say...

“[S]eeing, I say, that the Church teaches this in plain language, that the Only-begotten is essentially God, very God of the essence of the very God, how ought one who opposes her decisions to overthrow the preconceived opinion... And let no one interrupt me, by saying that what we confess should also be confirmed by constructive reasoning: for it is enough for proof of our statement, that the tradition has come down to us from our Fathers, handled on, like some inheritance, by succession from the apostles and the saints who came after them.” Gregory of Nyssa, Against Eunomius, 4:6 (c. A.D. 384).

And just for good measure,here is a few more from Blessed Saint Anthanasius

“But beyond these [Scriptural] sayings, let us look at the very tradition, teaching and faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning, which the Lord gave, the Apostles preached, and the Fathers kept.” Athanasius, Four Letters to Serapion of Thmuis, 1:28 (A.D. 360).

“This then I consider the sense of this passage, and that, a very ecclesiasitcal sense.” Athanasius, Discourse Against the Arians, 1:44 (A.D. 362).

Would you like to see what ALL the Early Church Fathers had to say about Eucharist(Transubstantiation) and Scripture Interpretation outside of the Church?

15,064 posted on 05/23/2007 3:40:19 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: stfassisi
RR, I see you also mentioned Saint John Chrysostom. and tried to tie him to solo Scripture

Here is what else Blessed Saint John Chrysostom had to say...

“Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you have been taught, whether by word or by our letter.

And it is clear from Chrysostom's other comments, just one I've cited that he did NOT consider anything that was claimed to be "tradition" to be genuine, but that the "tradition" had to be in conformity with the Scriptures.

15,068 posted on 05/23/2007 4:29:41 PM PDT by Risky-Riskerdo
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To: stfassisi
Very one of those citations was not meant that ANYTHING claimed to be "tradition" was to be accepted, for the heretics they opposed also claimed their heresies to be "tradition", but they meant that the "tradition" must be in conformity with the Scriptures which were the true standard.

Just as Gregory of Nyssa points out:

...we are not entitled to such license, namely, of affirming whatever we please. For we make Sacred Scripture the rule and the norm of every doctrine. Upon that we are obliged to fix our eyes, and we approve only whatever can be brought into harmony with the intent of these writings.

Let the inspired Scriptures then be our umpire, and the vote of truth will be given to those whose dogmas are found to agree with the Divine words.

Now that can be denied, but Gregory was addressing heretics who claimed their heresies were from "tradition", so Gregory points to that which is the true standard, Scripture.

Tradition is NOT anything Rome wants it to be, as Gregory stresses, it MUST be in harmony with the Scriptures.

15,069 posted on 05/23/2007 4:38:52 PM PDT by Risky-Riskerdo
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To: stfassisi

I find it most interesting that Rome has redefined what “tradition” is several times since the 19th century.


15,070 posted on 05/23/2007 4:40:20 PM PDT by Risky-Riskerdo
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