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To: jo kus
WHY WOULDN'T [the saints] be interested in those of us whom they loved before they went to heaven?

Because by that time they will ALL know for sure that God is perfectly able and willing to handle EVERYTHING Himself. That's His job. :) They will know that God has already chosen those whom are His children and given them to Christ. Their prayers would be of no account toward changing God's mind.

And don't forget, God desires that men be saved. If we united our will to God in heaven, then WE desire all men to be saved, as well.

Those whom God wants to be saved, He saves. Those whom He doesn't want are lost. Either that's true OR God is a colossal failure as an omnipotent Being. If it's God's will to sluff it off and let men decide for themselves, then that would show that He just doesn't care who accepts Him. If He wanted all, then He would have all.

What exactly is your idea of heaven, in the reformed world?

Well, the answer to that could be attempted on a dozen different levels I suppose. Probably the instinct of most Reformers would be to include something like: "look to every place in the Bible where Jesus begins a sentence 'The Kingdom of Heaven is like ...' That's what Heaven is like". :)

15,059 posted on 05/23/2007 2:32:57 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper
I wrote : WHY WOULDN'T [the saints] be interested in those of us whom they loved before they went to heaven?

You responded: Because by that time they will ALL know for sure that God is perfectly able and willing to handle EVERYTHING Himself. That's His job. :)

We already know that, FK. But that is not the point. For example, why do we pray? Hasn't God already decided what He will do? And can't He handle everything Himself? Again, it is your paradigm that excludes love and how it works that prevents you from seeing the worth of prayer and intercession. We see God "awaiting" our prayers, just as a loving father awaits for his child to ask HIM for favors. That is our paradigm.

Those whom God wants to be saved, He saves. Those whom He doesn't want are lost.

"God desires all men to be saved". How is that different from "God wants all men to be saved"? You are ignoring the Scripture's intent. Shame, shame...

Either that's true OR God is a colossal failure as an omnipotent Being.

So when YOU, a member of the so-called Elect, SIN, does THAT make God a failure? Does God desire men to sin? WHY does He let you sin IF He is omnipotent in every aspect, all controlling and so forth... Or does God ALLOW men to choose to sin or not to sin (the later only possible because of His grace, which does not overpower)

look to every place in the Bible where Jesus begins a sentence 'The Kingdom of Heaven is like ...' That's what Heaven is like". :)

That belays a misunderstanding of what the "Kingdom of Heaven" means. It begins NOW, brother. Consult the Scriptures and see that eternal life begins when Jesus Christ comes to abide in us. John is ESPECIALLY clear that eternal life is accessible to us in this life.

Regards

15,080 posted on 05/23/2007 7:06:07 PM PDT by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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To: Forest Keeper

Well put.


15,089 posted on 05/23/2007 9:22:46 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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