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To: adiaireton8; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg
Thank you so much for your thoughtful reply!

Of course I agree that God's judgment is the one that ultimately matters. But the fact that God's judgment is the one that ultimately matters does not mean that we should not judge ourselves (I mean our own individual self). I think you agree with me on that point at least.

Yes, of course.

We often never take the time to consider whether or not our present position is heretical. Most people I talk to have never taken the time to consider this. They assume that their present position is correct, and that those who disagree with them are wrong. And they say that God will sort it all out at the Final Judgment…

So my question to Quix was an attempt to prompt that sort of mental exercise. Assuming for the sake of argument that the Catholic Church is the true Church that Christ founded, and its Magisterium the true ecclesial authority, how would Quix know that? Would his subjective experiences feel or smell any different than his present subjective feelings and smells?

If not, then he can't be so confident in dismissing the authenticity and authority of the Magisterium of the Catholic Church.

I cannot speak for you or Quix, but I can testify of my personal journey in this regard.

First, my age. I’m sixty years on this earth and have spent the biggest part of it walking with the Lord.

When I was yet new to the faith I spent huge amounts of time in fervent study of the Bible, ancient manuscripts, commentaries, maps, lexicons and the ilk. Over the years I have attended many different churches, studied their doctrines, spoken with their members. And my family’s favorite subject is Christ, so most of our conversations eventually turn to Him. All of my family is Christian, about half of them are Catholic.

Although I had been saved for many a year, it wasn’t until I learned how to let go and let God, to trust Him, that I really experienced the power of God, the indwelling of the Spirit. Miracles followed. Chief among them is the difference in me. I am nothing like the person I was. She was self-centered, mean-spirited and unlovable.

The second most important miracle is that the Scriptures which I had studied for long now come alive within me as my eyes pass over the text. When I need to know a thing, He brings it to mind. The Scriptures are no longer a manuscript to me, but the words of God authenticated by the Author Himself.

The third most important miracle is His personal leading. He warns me away from places and things and thoughts and people – and draws me to others. He opens my mind to understand things I should not be able to understand.

And then there have been many specific physical and spiritual miracles. For instance, when my beloved, ever so close, sister graduated to heaven, I felt holes in my being from her absence and prayed for God to fill those holes with Himself. He answered that prayer even before the word “amen” left my mind. And when I prayed asking Him about the crucifixion, He gave me a mental image of a great Light coming from the Cross, extending over all of space and time - and innumerable tiny bubbles (us) rising up from the darkness and disappearing into the Light.

The physical healings in answer to prayer were so many that it brings a chuckle in the family every time the doctors say “we must have made a mistake” or “I don’t know what it was.” And I’ve always had exactly what I needed – never too much, never too little.

Some would scoff and say “so what – no seas were parted, no mountains moved, no dead brought to life.” And to that I and the rest of my family would chuckle, our personal seas were parted, our personal mountains were leveled, our spiritually dead are now alive.

So, no, I am not concerned about heresies – either my beliefs or those of my beloved Catholic relatives. I have cast all of my burdens on Him, I have thrown all caution to His wind. My fate is in His hands. I choose to believe Him, to trust Him, to count on Him.


14,961 posted on 05/22/2007 10:25:12 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

Imho,

That post should be made into a tract.

Thanks tons.

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!


14,964 posted on 05/22/2007 11:09:55 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Quix; Risky-Riskerdo; HarleyD; Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; 1000 silverlings; ...
I'm behind in this discussion, but a fervent "Amen" to your post, AG.

Everyone, whether they admit it or not, bows to something, someone. Men err in bowing to other men, to governments, to ecclesiastic hierarchies. We are to kneel to none but Jesus Christ. And in doing so, we acknowledge that He alone is worthy of our prayers, our obedience and our fealty.

it wasn't until I learned how to let go and let God, to trust Him, that I really experienced the power of God, the indwelling of the Spirit. Miracles followed. Chief among them is the difference in me. I am nothing like the person I was.

This is His promise to us. This is the evidence of His truth. Really hearing the word of God changes our lives for the better. Christ spends a considerable amount of time speaking about the fruits of the spirit for a very good reason -- those fruits are the evidence of the indwelling Spirit. They will come because He has assured us He will not leave us comfortless.

"And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand." -- Matthew 13:10-13

Christ is telling us that first the Holy Spirit indwells us by the will of God, and then we are given understanding and ears to hear and eyes to see.

"For whosoever hath, to him shall be given."

How much clearer could it be than that? Because at that point, our adoption by God is confirmed to us by the very real, tangible changes in our lives...

"But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty." -- Matthew 13:23

And later Paul confirms the "fruit of the spirit..."

"For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord." -- Ephesians 5:8-10

The "fruit of the spirit" in our lives actually "proves" the will of God, and confirms the presence of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

"Faith is a firm and certain knowledge of God's benevolence towards us, founded upon the truth of the freely given promise in Christ, both revealed to our minds and sealed upon our hearts through the Holy Spirit." -- John Calvin

You probably know my affection for Calvin, AG, because he writes so strongly and clearly of the power and scope of the Holy Spirit in our lives. And this ready witness and tangible confidence is what I find in your posts, too.

JOHN CALVIN
The Theologian
by B.B. Warfield

"...The Institutes...constitute Calvin pre-eminently as the theologian of the Holy Spirit.

Calvin has made contributions of the first importance to other departments of theological thought. It has already been observed that he marks an epoch in the history of the doctrine of the Trinity. He also marks an epoch in the mode of presenting the work of Christ. The presentation of Christ's work under the rubrics of the three-fold office of Prophet, Priest and King was introduced by him; and from him it was taken over by the entirety of Christendom, not always, it is true, in his spirit or with his completeness of development, but yet with large advantage. In Christian ethics, too, his impulse proved epoch-making, and this great science was for a generation cultivated only by his followers.

It is probable however that Calvin's greatest contribution to theological science lies in the rich development which he gives--and which he was the first to give--to the doctrine of the work of the Holy Spirit. No doubt, from the origin of Christianity, everyone who has been even slightly imbued with the Christian spirit has believed in the Holy Spirit as the author and giver of life, and has attributed all that is good in the world, and particularly in himself, to His holy offices. And, of course, in treating of grace, Augustine worked out the doctrine of salvation as a subjective experience with great vividness and in great detail, and the whole course of this salvation was fully understood, no doubt, to be the work of the Holy Spirit. But in the same sense in which we may say that the doctrine of sin and grace dates from Augustine, the doctrine of satisfaction from Anselm, the doctrine of justification by faith from Luther, -- we must say that the doctrine of the work of the Holy Spirit is a gift from Calvin to the Church. It was he who first related the whole experience of salvation specifically to the working of the Holy Spirit, worked it out into its details, and contemplated its several steps and stages in orderly progress as the product of the Holy Spirit's specific work in applying salvation to the soul. Thus he gave systematic and adequate expression to the whole doctrine of the Holy Spirit and made it the assured possession of the Church of God.

It has been common to say that Calvin's entire theological work may be summed up in this--that he emancipated the soul from the tyranny of human authority and delivered it from the uncertainties of human intermediation in religious things: that he brought the soul into the immediate presence of God and cast it for its spiritual health upon the free grace of God alone. Where the Romanist placed the Church, it is said, Calvin set the Deity. The saying is true, and perhaps, when rightly understood and filled with its appropriate content, it may sufficiently characterise the effect of his theological teaching. But it is expressed too generally to be adequate. What Calvin did was, specifically, to replace the doctrine of the Church as sole source of assured knowledge of God and sole institute of salvation, by the Holy Spirit. Previously, men had looked to the Church for all the trustworthy knowledge of God obtainable, and as well for all the communications of grace accessible. Calvin taught them that neither function has been committed to the Church, but God the Holy Spirit has retained both in His own hands and confers both knowledge of God and communion with God on whom He will.

The Institutes is, accordingly, just a treatise on the work of God the Holy Spirit in making God savingly known to sinful man, and bringing sinful man into holy communion with God..."


14,974 posted on 05/22/2007 12:15:06 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Alamo-Girl

it wasn’t until I learned how to let go and let God, to trust Him,
= = =

This is still a struggle in one or more areas or degrees.

Thankfully, a lot of progress has been made in 60 years but not near as much as I’d like.

Thanks for your prayers and exhortations in that behalf.


15,005 posted on 05/22/2007 9:34:38 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Alamo-Girl
So, no, I am not concerned about heresies

The very idea that experiencing miracles warrants a lack of concern about heresies is itself heretical. You cannot love Christ and not love Truth. If you love Christ, you will hate false teaching about Him.

-A8

15,008 posted on 05/22/2007 10:12:05 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: Alamo-Girl
So, no, I am not concerned about heresies – either my beliefs or those of my beloved Catholic relatives. I have cast all of my burdens on Him, I have thrown all caution to His wind. My fate is in His hands. I choose to believe Him, to trust Him, to count on Him.

Rest still in God's loving arms, and place all your trust in Him, seems the best way to live. There are miracles aplenty in this life for those who have the eyes to see them. The "turning around" we make when we are born anew in the Spirit is itself the greatest of miracles: It is the miracle of God working in us.

I don't need the parting of the Red Sea, the Burning Bush, the Plagues visited upon Pharaoh, to know that God works miracles: He is the Lord of Life, with His creatures.... It is so amazing that He is as near to us as our own heartbeat, and there for us when we call on Him. He is the Good Shepherd, Who freely gives us what we need, if we but humbly ask.

Thank you so much, dearest sister in Christ, for your magnificent testimony and witness!

15,107 posted on 05/24/2007 6:26:45 AM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein.)
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