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[FK to Kosta:] "... but you describe a very weak God who most often fails to get what He wants."

A8: And you misconstrue strength as forcing people to do what you want them to do.

Omnipotence means not NEEDING to force anyone to do anything. For the elect, they are given a new heart because God loves them. Their eyes are opened, etc. No one drags the elect kicking and screaming to salvation. They want it, fair and square. Every time. For the non-elect, God leaves them to their sinful natures, and they choose damnation, fair and square. Every time.

14,915 posted on 05/21/2007 9:02:00 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)

Does God "desire all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth"? (1 Tim 2:4) If so, then given your claim that omnipotence is incompatible with "fail[ing] to get what He wants", and given the falsity of universalism, something has to give.

-A8

14,920 posted on 05/21/2007 9:09:36 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)