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To: adiaireton8
LOL. I trust my "x."

I don't know what "x" you trust, A8. Good luck with it.

14,804 posted on 05/21/2007 11:14:50 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper
A brief summary:

(#14,548): Dr. Eckleburg: "[I]nfant baptizers do not say "I know my child is a member of God's family." We say "I trust God that my child is a member of His family."

(#14,766): A8: When they say, "I trust God that my child is a member of His family", that really means only, "I hope that my child is a member of His family."

(#14,775): Dr. Eckleburg: Thanks for the rewrite, A8, but the word is "trust," not "hope." The distinction is vital, and I'm sorry you missed it.

(#14,778): A8: "Trusting that X" reduces to "hoping that X" when there is no ground for believing X more likely than ~X.

(#14,786): Dr. Eckleburg: LOL. I have plenty of ground for believing X over ~X.

(#14,789): A8: Just two weeks ago, my nephew was born. Now, tell me what ground I have for believing that he is elect and not reprobate?

(#14,800): Dr. Eckleburg: I don't know that you do, A8.

(#14,801): A8: Then it is not the case that you "have plenty of ground for believing X over ~X." Therefore, since as I pointed out in #14,778: "Trusting that X" reduces to "hoping that X" when there is no ground for believing X more likely than ~X", your "trusting that X" reduces to "hoping that X".

In other words, when infant baptizing Calvinists say, "I trust God that my child is a member of His family", that really means only, "I hope that my child is a member of His family", exactly as I originally pointed out in #14,766.

-A8

14,810 posted on 05/21/2007 11:55:06 AM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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