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To: Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; kosta50; Forest Keeper; wmfights
I've always been amazed at the RCC's teaching that the Holy Spirit does not speak to individuals, but to the church which in turn speaks to individuals.

Hmmmmm....doesn't that fly in the face of people who have seen Mary (like Fatima) or Joan of Arc who claim to have seen a vision? How about weeping stautes, lighted pictures or grilled cheese sandwiches? It seems that the argument is really, "The Holy Spirit does not speak to individuals unless we say that the Holy Spirit has talked to them."

14,609 posted on 05/15/2007 11:07:55 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; Forest Keeper; wmfights
Dr E: I've always been amazed at the RCC's teaching that the Holy Spirit does not speak to individuals, but to the church which in turn speaks to individuals

The Church doesn't teach that. To the contrary. We also hear the Gospel and Epistle every Sunday, and OT during vespers. That still doesn't change the fact that the Bible establishes Church hierarchy, some as apostles, some as prophets, and some as teachers...not anyone who claim to have indwelling Spirit.

HD: Hmmmmm....doesn't that fly in the face of people who have seen Mary (like Fatima) or Joan of Arc who claim to have seen a vision? How about weeping stautes, lighted pictures or grilled cheese sandwiches?

How is that different from those who claim that "Spirit guides" them in their reading? Is there a difference between hallucinations and delusions? People "hearing" voices and "seeing" Jesus on grilled cheese sandwiches are all in the same league.

14,617 posted on 05/15/2007 12:49:18 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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