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To: stfassisi; Dr. Eckleburg
I asked you to make your posts short and this is what I get!

You said... “”Salvation is free and that means no works are necessary to have it or to keep it because the price of it is beyond human payment!””

Perhaps you,re confusing selfish works with works abiding in Christ. Works of love means we are doing what God has WILLED for us,thus we are cooperating with God- not for the good of oneself but for the good of others. This is pleasing to God.Right?

Yes, that is pleasing to God, but doesn't have anything to do with salvation.

A person cannot do anything to be saved.

He produces fruit by love after he is saved.

Selfish works are useless because there is nothing we can do outside of abiding in Christ for self gain that will not be revealed to God. These works are as filthy rags

All works are filthy rags before one is saved.

So, once again, do you think that you can add anything to God's free gift of salvation?

Here is an example where lack of work might cost you your Salvation... If you pass by a hungry family on the street and you have the ability to help them and do nothing and you continue to do nothing every time a situation like this arises. I think its possible that one COULD lose Salvation for doing nothing.

No, one would be disciplined by God for doing nothing,(Heb.12) but one cannot lose one's salvation.

No more than doing something for the person would aid in one's salvation.

Lets look at what Scriptures say about WORKS....

“WORK as a preacher of the Gospel, fulfill your ministry.” 2Tim 4:5 “WORK for upbuilding and not for destruction.” 2Cor 13:10 “WORK from the heart as for the Lord, and not for men.” Col 3:23 “WORK out your salvation with fear and trembling.” Phil 2:12. See also 1Cor 9:24-27. “For His workmanship we are, created in Christ Jesus in GOOD WORKS, which GOD has made ready beforehand that we may walk in them.” Eph 2:10 “And if you invoke as Father him who without respect of persons judges according to each one’s WORK, conduct yourselves with fear in the time of your sojourning.” 1Pet 1:17 “There are just men and wise men, and their WORKS are in the hand of GOD.” Eccl 9:1 “...who will render to every man according to his WORKS.” Rom 2:6 “But their end will be according to their WORKS.” 2Cor 11:15 “For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the DOERS of the law shall be justified.” Rom 2:13 “For GOD shall bring every WORK into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.” Eccl 12:14 “Tribulation and anguish shall be visited upon the soul of every man who works evil; of Jew first and then of Greek. But glory and honor and peace shall be awarded to everyone who does good to Jew first and then of Greek.” Rom 2:9-10 “...we should love one another; not like Cain, who was of the evil one, and killed his brother. And wherefore did he kill him? Because his own works were wicked, but his brother’s just.” 1Jn 3:11-12 “But if anyone builds upon this foundation, gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hat, straw, the work of each will be made manifest, for the Day of the Lord will declare it, since the day is to be revealed in fire. The fire will assay the quality of everyone’s WORK: if his work abides which he has built thereon, he will receive his reward; if his work burns he will lose his reward, but himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.” 1Cor 3:13-15 These four preceding verses lay it on the line that every one’s works will surely be tested, and reward or punishment will follow. “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord’, shall enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER in heaven shall enter the kingdom of heaven.” Matt 7:21 “Now we know that GOD does not hear sinners; but if anyone is a worshiper of GOD, AND DOES HIS WILL , him He hears.” John 9:31 “But why do you call Me, ‘Lord, ‘Lord’, and do not practice the things that I say?” Luke 6:46 “But he who does the truth comes to the light that his deeds may be made manifest, for they have been performed in GOD.” John 3:21 “Esteem them with a more abundant love on account of their work.” 1Thes 5:13 “If anyone, therefore, has cleansed himself from these, he will be a vessel for honorable use, sanctified and useful to the Lord, ready for every good WORK.” 2Tim 2:21 “Let them do good and be rich in good works, giving readily, sharing with others.” 1Tim 6:18 “This saying is true, and concerning these things I desire you to insist, that they who believe in GOD may be careful to excel in GOOD WORKS.” Tit 3:8 “And let out children also learn to excel in GOOD WORKS, in order to meet cases of necessity, so that they may not be unfruitful.” Tit 3:14 “...looking for the blessed hope and glorious coming of our great GOD and Savior, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us that He might redeem us from all iniquity and cleanse for Himself an acceptable people, pursuing GOOD WORKS.” Tit 2:13-14 “Yes, working together with Him we entreat you not to receive the grace of GOD in vain... On the contrary, let us conduct ourselves in all circumstances as GOD’s ministers, in much patience; in tribulations, in hardships, in distress; in stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults; in labors...” 2Cor 6:1,5 “May you walk worthily of GOD and please Him in all things, bearing fruit in every good work and growing in the knowledge of GOD.” Col 1:10 “Bear one another’s burdens, and so you will fulfill the law of Christ. For if anyone thinks himself to be something, whereas he is nothing, he deceives himself. But let everyone test his OWN WORK, so he will have glory in himself only, and not in comparison with another. For each one will bear his own burden.” Gal 6:2-5 “And they who have DONE GOOD shall come forth unto the resurrection of life; but they who have done evil unto resurrection of judgment.” John 5:29 “If you know that he is just, know that everyone also who DOES what is just has been born of Him.” 1John 2:29 “Therefore, he who knows how to DO GOOD, and does not do it, commits a sin.” Jam 4:17 This is called the sin of omission. Matt 25:37-40 has more examples of sins of omission. “And concerning these (evil works) I warn you, that they who do (evil works) such things will not attain the kingdom of GOD.” Gal 5:21 (read from verse 16 for context). “But I have this against you, that you have left your first love. Remember therefore where you have fallen, and repent and do the former works; or else I will come to you, and will move your lamp-stand out of its place, unless you repent.” Rev 2:4-5 “I KNOW YOU WORKS; you have the name of being alive, and you are dead. Be watchful and strengthen the things that remain, but which were ready to die. For I do not find your works complete before my GOD.” Rev 3:1-2 “Alexander, the coppersmith, has done me much harm; the Lord will render him according to his deeds.” 2Tim 4:14 “My dear children, let us not love in word, neither with the tongue, but in deed and in truth.” 1Jn 3:18 “I KNOW YOUR WORKS, your faith, your love, your ministry, your patience, and your last works, which are more numerous than the former.” Rev 2:19 “And I heard a voice from heaven saying, ‘Write: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord henceforth. Yes, says the Spirit, let them rest from their labors, FOR THEIR WORKS FOLLOW THEM’.” Rev 14:13 The works which you do in this life will follow you forever. “I KNOW YOUR WORKS and your labor and your patience, and that you cannot bear evil men;” Rev 2:2 “And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. And another scroll was opened, which is the Book of Life; and the dead were judged out of those things that were written in the scrolls, ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS.” Rev 20:12 “And her children I will strike with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches desires and hearts, and I will give to each of you according to your WORKS.” Rev 2:23 “Behold, I come quickly! And My reward is with Me, to render to each one ACCORDING TO HIS WORKS.” Rev 22:12 “And the world with its lust is passing away, but he who does the will of GOD abides forever.” 1John 2:17 “And he who overcomes, and who keeps My works unto the end, I will give authority over the nations.” Rev 2:26 “I know your works, Behold, I have caused a door to be opened before you which no one can shut, for you have scanty strength, and you have kept My word and have not disowned My name.” Rev 3:8

Now, not one of those scriptures say that any works are involved in salvation.

What they say is that works show if one is saved, and that the unbeliever will be judged by his works (Rev.20) and so will the Christian (1Cor.3:13).

So once again, I ask you, what part of 'free' don't you understand?

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness (Rom.4:5)

Can it be any clearer?

That you can work for your salvation.

You bear fruit after you are saved and those 'works' are for rewards at the Judgement seat of Christ (Rom.14:10).

Dear Brother, You really need to stop calling Orthodox a dead faith and Catholicism a cult.

First, I doubt very much we are brothers.

You seem to have a hard time grasping the fact that one cannot earn or add to the free gift of salvation.

Second, I did not call Romanism a cult.

I said that its adherents follow a cultic method of interpetation, using a few proof texts and ignoring those scriptures that go against them.

As for the Orthodox Church and RCC being dead, ofcourse they are!

They preach a false Gospel!

Any church that does that is dead and has an anathamia on it.

This is NOT coming from the Holy Spirit,it is coming from an evil spirit.

No, I believe my Gospel of salvation by faith alone is the true Gospel and the mixture of faith and works is the false Gospel (Gal.1) and that is the doctrine of the god of this world, Satan (2Cor.4:4)

I tell you this out of love and concern.

Thank you and I tell you with the same motivation, that you need to go by what God says and not man (Mk.7-7).

Now, if you think you have a scripture that states that salvation is not a free gift by faith alone than post it and deal with what Paul writes.

Works do not add to salvation nor do they keep one saved because salvation is a free gift to be accepted or rejected as such.

I,m willing to accept you as a separated Brother.

Well thank you, but if you have not been born again, by faith alone, we are not brothers.

You are still dead in your sins.

So I urge you to repent of your heresies and see the deception you are under (2Cor.4:4)

I wish you a Blessed evening!

Thank you, I wish for you an uncomfortable one, that you will search the scriptures to see if what I have said is true or not and pray to God to give you light (Ps.119:130, Acts 17:11)

14,596 posted on 05/15/2007 4:30:15 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (For what saith the scripture? (Rom.4:3))
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To: All
That you can work for your salvation.

Correction: That should read ' that you cannot work for your salvation.

14,598 posted on 05/15/2007 4:55:29 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (For what saith the scripture? (Rom.4:3))
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To: fortheDeclaration
I will NOT stoop to your level of arrogance and self pride!
I will continue to humble myself to our Lord and give of myself for the good of others

But I tell you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom on the day of judgment than for you.”

At that time Jesus said in reply, “I give praise to you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, for although you have hidden these things from the wise and the learned you have revealed them to the childlike.
(Matthew 11-24-25_

“The success of love is in the loving - it is not in the result of loving. Of course it is natural in love to want the best for the other person, but whether it turns out that way or not does not determine the value of what we have done.”
-Mother Teresa

I,m finished posting you and I really don,t care what else you have to say until you step down from that “high horse”some day.

14,601 posted on 05/15/2007 5:46:35 AM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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