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To: Forest Keeper; HarleyD; Kolokotronis; Quix; kawaii; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights
all bodies are resurrected, ending up in either Heaven or hell

Yes, but it takes a special mind to pervert the word resurrection (the basis for our faith) to associate it with hell. Man's nature is mindbody; we are psuchesarkoi. That is our nature and our natural existence is not spiritual alone. Thus all the souls of the departed are in discomfort because they are in an unnatural state. Pray for them, FK, so that their discomfort may be eased.

After the second coming, our natural state will be re-established (this is not reincarnation, as our identities remain, and the bodies we get will be our old bodies made new).

Man will be judged in his natural, God-given state, as psuchesarkoi. Those who repented and were pardoned will be glorified; those who did not will remain separated from God for all eternity.

When we Christians speak of resurrection, we naturally think of the resurrection in the light of our Lord's, as the last step in our salvation. That was the meaning of my laconic reply.

Mary was 100% post-fall human. As such she needed to be saved even if she did not sin.

14,590 posted on 05/14/2007 5:33:27 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; HarleyD; Kolokotronis; Quix; kawaii; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights
Man's nature is mindbody; we are psuchesarkoi. That is our nature and our natural existence is not spiritual alone. Thus all the souls of the departed are in discomfort because they are in an unnatural state. Pray for them, FK, so that their discomfort may be eased.

I've never prayed for a departed. I wouldn't know what to say. :) Is there any Biblical support for the idea that the departed are in discomfort because they are separated from their bodies? Paul seems to say the opposite:

2 Cor 5:6-8 : 6 Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. 7 We live by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

It doesn't appear that Paul believes there is an intermediate state of any kind. He seems to think that once we physically die, the elect go straight into the presence of our Lord. I like the sound of that, so I think I'll just skip all the suffering and purgation-type stuff. :)

After the second coming, our natural state will be re-established (this is not reincarnation, as our identities remain, and the bodies we get will be our old bodies made new).

I agree that there's no reincarnation here, and it's really more closely a reunification. And, I've always wondered how that's physically going to work out. Will we all look like 18-year-olds? Plus, what sort of bodies do abortion victims get?

14,780 posted on 05/19/2007 5:30:42 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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