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To: fortheDeclaration; blue-duncan; Uncle Chip; Blogger; HarleyD; wmfights; Quix
What he, and the Scofield reference Bible did, was make the pre-trib view well known.

With all due respect, this is purely bogus. The pre-trib idea was unknown in the Church until Darby came along. He was forced to reinterpret 1 Thessalonians 4 in the light of his new-found theology of Israel and the Church.

Darby was not relying on anything explicitly in Scripture or that was recognized by the Church for 1830 years. Darby had to invent something, the radical distinction between Israel and the Church, that is not in the Bible. He was forced to reinterpret and ignore many verses, explicitly the NT, in order to arrive at his nouveau conclusions.

This is easily verified by reading Darby and looking for any reference to early church fathers on the subject. There are none. What Darby did was akin to the Jehovah’s Witnesses reinterpretation of the Bible text to suit their Arian theology.

Some one has said, “All heretics start with the Bible.” Darby may not have been a heretic in the strictest sense, but his views led to notions such as two methods of salvation, one for the Jews and one for the Church, that were popular for a time until the utter ridiculousness of such as idea was finally realized.

14,466 posted on 05/11/2007 6:10:49 AM PDT by topcat54 ("... knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience." (James 1:3))
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To: topcat54; Blogger; wmfights; DarthVader; .30Carbine; Alamo-Girl; proud_2_B_texasgal; ...
Evidently it's been very difficult for some to read our statements before. I'll try and make it easier to see the font this time.

THERE IS NO
TWO ROUTES
TO SALVATION
VIS A VIS
CHRIST
FOR JEWS
VS
GENTILES!

There is only the issue of timing and how God arranges the return of the Jewish Remnant to accept their true Messiah. Paul makes VERY CLEAR in Romans and elsewhere that GOD SET THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL UP TO REJECT CHRIST INITIALLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE GENTILES.

For God to then trash the Blood children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob after using them in such a fasion . . . makes God out to be more than a little cheeky, insensitive and unfair.

He is still using them to set up ALL CREATION to realize HOW UTTERLY CRITICAL IT IS TO FOLLOW CLOSELY TO GOD ALMIGHTY EVERY MOMENT OF EVERY LIFE.

THE PRETZEL-PESUDO-LOGIC PERSPECTIVE ON ESCHATOLOGY would have folks think that GOD ALMIGHTY

SIMPLY COULD NOT POSSIBLY

HAVE CHOSEN to set things up such that the Jews would fall for the antiChrist as their messiah JUST PRIOR TO REALIZING THAT THEY'D CRUCIFIED THE REAL ONE.

I guess God didn't get the memo from the THE PRETZEL-PESUDO-LOGIC PERSPECTIVE ON ESCHATOLOGY folks that HE, ALMIGHTY GOD

simply COULD NOT--WAS THOROUGHLY UN-ABLE to plan, engineer and carry out such an ALMIGHTY GOD PERFECT design on such things.

Perhaps you should send Him an email. I'm sure He'd be terribly wounded and disappointed that the PRETZEL-PSEUDO-LOGIC ESCHATOLOGY folks would clip ALMIGHTY GOD'S wings on such a score. But he'd likely be appreciative of at least finding out what His ALLOWED boundaries as ALMIGHTY GOD !REALLY! ARE.

14,477 posted on 05/11/2007 7:29:01 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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