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Christ was the fulfillment of the Old Testament Law. The New Covenant was an everlasting covenant, much like the promises to Abraham. In Jeremiah the New Covenant was made to the JEWS. We know that the New Covenant did not obliterate the old promises towards the Jews for God’s promises are sure and the prophecies towards Israel are being fulfilled to this day. We know in Zechariah that there will be a day when the remnant of national Israel accepts Christ. During that same time there will be a sacrificial system in the Temple. We were grafted in. We did not obliterate the promises to God’s chosen Israelites as you know full well as well from the dispensational thread. Beyond that, I do not have to answer you for I have already dealt with this subject at length in other threads. I know speaking with you about it is ‘spinning my wheels’ and have much better things to do with my time. You will believe what you believe and I believe what I believe and we aren’t changing each other’s minds, so why not leave it at that? The discussion originally was over blessing verses the impartation of grace during the ordinances. I answered those questions in full and have shown where I believe your view to be problematic. Either grace is a gift exclusive of ANY human works or it isn’t.


14,241 posted on 05/08/2007 11:00:45 AM PDT by Blogger
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Christ was the fulfillment of the Old Testament Law. The New Covenant was an everlasting covenant, much like the promises to Abraham.

And we know that all the promises made to Abraham were fulfilled in His Seed, Jesus Christ.

“Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "And to your Seed," who is Christ.” (Gal 3:16)

All those who place their faith in Jesus Christ share in the blessings and promises made to Father Abraham. In order for Israel after the flesh to receive these blessing, they must be found “in Christ” plain and simple.

The new covenant that Christ made in His blood was made with the house of Israel and house of Judah, just as promised. But we know from Paul’s writing that it is only the remnant of Israel that is being saved and truly receives all these promises, which they share with the faithful gentiles who also trust in Christ.

But that still leaves us with the fact that the old covenant has passed away. All the types and shadows were temporary, and were decaying when Jesus Christ arrived on the scene. No one can approach God any longer by these old covenant types, since the Antitype has arrived.

“For I bear them witness that they [Israel] have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge.” (Rom. 10:2)

Hebrews teaches that without the shedding of blood there is no remissions of sins. The old covenant sacrifices were a type of the true Lamb of God slain from before the foundation of the world. Once Christ appeared all those temporary forms of approaching God by the blood of animals were made obsolete. If the shedding of animal blood is obsolete, then the priesthood which offered the sacrifices is also obsolete.

It’s all connected together.

And so we find that there is no old covenant “Passover” meal today which God has any regard for. To engage in a Passover ritual for religious reasons if to fundamentally undermine the sacrifice of Jesus Christ once for all, and is an abomination before the Lord.

What you seem to minimize is that the remnant (“all Israel”) is being saved even today. “Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace” (Rom. 11:5). That is what Paul and all the other NT writers taught. Paul tells us in the conclusion of Romans 11 that “all Israel” will be saved in this manner, according the remnant promises.

You must interpret Zechariah in this context or you will get it wrong every time, and end up like the apostate Jews who rejected Jesus at His first coming.

The discussion originally was over blessing verses the impartation of grace during the ordinances.

Indeed, and I still fail to see the distinction you are trying to make between blessing and grace wrt the sacraments. I think there is something there, but it’s not clear to me what it is. I’d like to help you out but I do not have much to go on.

14,245 posted on 05/08/2007 11:25:13 AM PDT by topcat54 ("... knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience." (James 1:3))
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