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To: HarleyD; Kolokotronis; wmfights; Forest Keeper
Augustine answered this by saying the man revived long enough to make it very clear to Augustine he was extremely unhappy with what he had done

Pride is a terrible self-destructive thing.

As FK once wrote, of the billions and billions of people who have walked this earth, if this was true don't you think you would be able to find a sinless man? If he did, then he is wrong. Unbaptized infants who die are innocent because they never get to walk on earth and do evil things.

Abraham thought for sure there should be some righteous people in Sodom

There was — one.

THIS Reformed Baptist believes that God saves people according to His will and good pleasure. He saves them by His grace and mercy alone...

You mean by His loving grace and mercy?

Whether you're an aborted baby or a 95 year old man who, on his death bed accepts the Lord, everyone comes to God in the same fashion. We are instilled with His faith and mercy through grace

Infants have no faith, so they cannot be saved. You basically proved my previous observation that Protestants/Baptists by necessity believe all infants who die (whether baptized or not) go to hell. Isn't that the so-called Reformed theology, HD?

14,197 posted on 05/08/2007 7:58:21 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; HarleyD; Kolokotronis; wmfights; Forest Keeper
Infants have no faith, so they cannot be saved. You basically proved my previous observation that Protestants/Baptists by necessity believe all infants who die (whether baptized or not) go to hell. Isn't that the so-called Reformed theology, HD?

If you don't mind my jumping in, Scripture isn't clear on this. However, God knows who his elect are from before we are created. Baptism and the LORD's Supper do not impart Grace so it would not be inconsistent to believe that God has taken them home.

14,200 posted on 05/08/2007 8:09:57 AM PDT by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; wmfights; Forest Keeper
There was — one.

Ah, but He was the Son of God as well as the son of man.

Infants have no faith, so they cannot be saved.

How do you know infants have no faith? John the Baptist leaped inside the womb at the present of our Lord. I wouldn't discount that fact.

Isn't that the so-called Reformed theology, HD?

No, here is what the Westminster Confession states (Chapter 10, Section 3):


14,211 posted on 05/08/2007 8:54:07 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: kosta50; HarleyD; Kolokotronis; wmfights
Harley: "As FK once wrote, of the billions and billions of people who have walked this earth, if this was true don't you think you would be able to find a sinless man?"

Kosta: "If he did, then he is wrong. Unbaptized infants who die are innocent because they never get to walk on earth and do evil things."

He did, and he wasn't wrong. :) In fact, Harley's paraphrase was exceedingly accurate, i.e. "walked this earth". That leaves out your objection above.

Although without absolute certitude, I am comfortable with the idea that those who die before reaching the age of maturity go to Heaven. I am comfortable enough that I would act on it. For example, if I was consoling someone who had just had a miscarriage, I might offer words along the lines of "she is in Heaven now". However, if I was consoling someone whose mother just died, and the only inclination I had was that she was not a Christian, then I would not offer words to the same effect.

14,619 posted on 05/15/2007 1:13:55 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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