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To: Forest Keeper; HarleyD; Kolokotronis; Quix; kawaii; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights
If Mary was cleansed of "ALL" sin at Incarnation, and never personally sinned again (if ever), then what did she need Jesus to die on the cross for? Or, how did she benefit from it?

So that she may be resurrected.

14,108 posted on 05/07/2007 9:57:55 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; HarleyD; wmfights; Alamo-Girl; Quix; 1000 silverlings; ...
FOREST KEEPER: If Mary was cleansed of "ALL" sin at Incarnation, and never personally sinned again (if ever), then what did she need Jesus to die on the cross for? Or, how did she benefit from it?

KOSTA; So that she may be resurrected.

Frankly, that's a non-answer since anyone who has been cleansed of their sins by Christ's atonement will be resurrected. Period.

Unless you know of someone, Kosta, for whom Christ died who will not be resurrected.

14,133 posted on 05/07/2007 12:31:54 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: kosta50
So that she may be] resurrected.

Sounds like jury-rigged, assumed [not even inferred, extrapolated--nothing sufficient Scripture to even infer, extrapolate from] jury-rigged, doctrines of man theology, to me.

14,151 posted on 05/07/2007 4:59:06 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: kosta50; fortheDeclaration; HarleyD; Kolokotronis; Quix; kawaii; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; ...
FK: "If Mary was cleansed of "ALL" sin at Incarnation, and never personally sinned again (if ever), then what did she need Jesus to die on the cross for? Or, how did she benefit from it?"

So that she may be resurrected.

In reading through the response chains, I saw an excellent point made by FTD, who noted that all bodies are resurrected, ending up in either Heaven or hell. FTD cited Rev. 20 and Dan. 12. We are also told in Matthew and Luke that there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth". Presumably, an unresurrected spirit would not have teeth to gnash! :)

However, if you mean resurrected to glory, I still don't see the connection. If Mary never sinned, and was not blemished by the Fall, then she would have been otherwise fully fit for Heaven on her own, no? If Christ never died, would she have existed as an unresurrected spirit? IOW, is the whole point of the cross for Mary to get a body in Heaven?

14,583 posted on 05/14/2007 12:13:38 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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