[kosta50]

The difference is that in the descriptions of Mary and comments I have seen about her here, I get the idea that "ultimate" credit is being given to Mary. That would explain the level of veneration that I see given to her

Some people find greater affinity for the lives of their saint role-models; then others. Some people are moved by Mary to the point of longion for her as the kind of a human being we all could only wish to be. Sometimes, they express that longing in a way that seems idolatrous, but I can assure you that no Orthodox Christian would tell you she is divine, even if they prostrate themsleves before her icon.

[Quix]

I say on an RC station here on cable at Salida CO

the ending of a prayer to Mary

with the phrase

“grant us, Oh, Mary”

or something to that effect, the key issue being that the prayer was

REQUESTING MARY to GRANT, BESTOW the request—

NOT requesting Mary to ask Jesus to grant the request.

More evidence . . .

faulty Mariology = faulty Christology

yielding

Mary = Christ

[Forest Keeper]

... I can assure you that no Orthodox Christian would tell you [Mary] is divine, even if they prostrate themselves before her icon.

That's good, and I was really zooming in on the Latins. :) I see some pretty puzzling examples there. I know there is "Mary save us", but we have talked about it, and that one doesn't bend me out of shape anymore. :)