[Kolokotronis]

” Yes they are. What they are definitely not is mutualy inclusive, as some people make them. There was no time when Adam was not known to God, but there was a time when Adam was not.

God’s knowledge of Adam is not the same as Adam’s created existence, for God actually made Adam and imparted life into him even though He knew Adam (as an idea) all long. In other words, God’s knowledge (idea) of Adam is not equivalent to Adam’s creation.

The (fore)knowledge does not impart the “breath of life” into a lifeless form.”

I find it fascinating, and a bit troubling, that any Christian could profess a belief in the pre-existence of souls. The Church has always taught that we are “psykosomatikoi” souls and bodies. Similarly, The Church has been quite adamant about the pre-existence of souls, a belief in which was anathemized at the 5th Ecumenical Council in 553:

“IF anyone asserts the fabulous pre-existence of souls, and shall assert the monstrous restoration which follows from it: let him be anathema.” I Anathemas Against Origen

[hosepipe]

[.. I find it fascinating, and a bit troubling, that any Christian could profess a belief in the pre-existence of souls. ..]

You seem to be shying away from the word "SPIRIT"..
What do you think is the difference between Soul and Spirit.. or IS there a difference?..

[kosta50]

The Church has always taught that we are “psykosomatikoi” souls and bodies. Similarly, The Church has been quite adamant about the pre-existence of souls, a belief in which was anathemized at the 5th Ecumenical Council in 553:

Correct, and I used the same argument previously. The idea of pre-existence of the souls is certifiably pagan and Gnostic. It entered Judaism between 500 and 200 BC as a result of Babylonian infleunce and, later, through extensive hellenization, along with apocalyptic beliefs.