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To: 1000 silverlings; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD
I don't understand your response. The source is Jewish commentary. Many Jews no longer read the Torah, but rabbis do. They can confirm that whatI say is true

I don't dispute that what you are saying is what rabbinical Judaism says. I dispute that it is Jewish. The belief in the pre-existence of the souls is a pagan (Greek and Persian) belief that was added to Pharisaical Judaism, and survives to this day in its direct offshoot, rabbinical Judaism — and, apparently, in some corners of various Protestant sects as well.

This is what Jewish Encyclopedia has to say about this:

This belief is, therefore, not "intrinsically" Jewish but pagan. Thus, the JE continues:

Clearly, then, modern Judaism is a mixture of old Judaism and (Greek, Persian) pagan beliefs.

What fascinates me is that some Protestant groups will adhere to this type of (rabbinical) Judaism rather than to Christian beliefs which — regardless whether based on traducianism or creationism — agree that the soul does not pre-exist the body.

Rabbinical Judaism also says that the souls of the Gentiles are created by the demons.

Do you believe that too? Are some Protestants unsure if they are Christians or Jews? Or do they consider themselves a little bit of both?

13,951 posted on 05/04/2007 10:10:45 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

Jacob had an additional soul
Which from archangel Michael he stole
This miraculous feat
Left Gentiles incomplete
Till at Pentecost they became whole.


13,952 posted on 05/04/2007 10:13:20 AM PDT by annalex
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To: kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD

I don’t know what kind of Christian you are, but Jesus is the true vine. As to where souls are and come from it’s not something that concerns me. I was pinged over here and gave an opinion from what I know.


13,954 posted on 05/04/2007 10:26:43 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings ("The Bible is the rock on which our Republic rests." Andrew Jackson, President of U.S.)
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To: kosta50; 1000 silverlings; Dr. Eckleburg
The belief in the pre-existence of the souls is a pagan (Greek and Persian) belief that was added to Pharisaical Judaism


13,962 posted on 05/04/2007 11:04:03 AM PDT by HarleyD
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