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To which Dr. E responds...clearly signaling that the Old Testament (in her opinion) teaches the pre-existence of the souls.

To which I asked for Biblical references (which i have not received), showing that the Bible teaches pre-existence of thre souls.

Did you think you could just slip that one past us and hope we weren't keeping track? 8~)

You didn't even ask me for OT Scripture supporting the Biblical truth that God from all eternity purposed every believer, but I gave it to you anyway in post #13838...

POST 13838

FOREST KEEPER: He knew all of us before we were created physically
KOSTA: The souls are not pre-fabricated in advance. That is a pagan, even Gnostic belief.

"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee" -- Jeremiah 1:5
"Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him." -- Isaiah 43:7
"Thus saith the LORD that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee" -- Isaiah 44:2
"Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?" -- Job 38:36
"For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them." -- Psalms 139:13-16
"For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive?" -- 1 Corinthians 4:7

The soul is not independent of its Creator. We are the sum and substance of that which the Creator ordained from before the foundation of the world."

You you were given Scripture, and you seem to have chosen to ignore it.

I'll add that any understanding other than the above means God concocts souls and lives and history in real time only and not from before the foundation of the world. Which is preposterous given the definition of an omnipotent, omniscient, all-creative, eternal and boundless Creator who knows the end from the beginning because He created all things for His glory.

The only thing your post affirms (again) is that God makes us 9and that he knows that He will make us). WE agree. But there is nothing in your post that shows the bible teaches pre-existentence of the souls. genesis tells us that Adam's soul did not pre-exist. It was part of Adam's creation.

Historically and theologically, pre-existence of the souls is a pagan and Gnostic heresy. I am sorry that you find their teaching agreeable. Gnostics and pagans are not Christians.

I'll add that any understanding other than the above means God concocts souls and lives and history in real time only and not from before the foundation of the world. Which is preposterous given the definition of an omnipotent, omniscient, all-creative, eternal and boundless Creator who knows the end from the beginning because He created all things for His glory.

God intercedes in real time and in history and in our lives daily, all the time.

The whole OT speaks of God's active participation and intercession in real time and in history. To deny God's participation and intercession in this world is preposterous indeed. Christ is the ultimate intercession of God in real time and in history.

I only wonder if these concepts of a distant God who doesn't "concot" in the real world and in hisotry, is an isolated opinion, or if all Protestants believe in the pre-existence of the souls?

The Jewish concept is that all souls were created before the world and are kept in a celestial treasury. They are all referred to as “she”.
The reason that we know nothing about them is because revelation deals only with the present world.