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To: kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; 1000 silverlings; betty boop; Quix; hosepipe; .30Carbine
Thank you so much for sharing your insights!

I was not suggesting re-incarnation in my comments.

Rather, as always, my theme is “to God be the glory!”

In other words, we cannot superimpose our concept of an arrow of time onto God. We cannot say that there was ever a point at which He did not know us. We cannot remove ourselves from time to become objective observers and make such a determination.

Time is a part of the Creation, not a boundary or restriction to the Creator.

I suspect it is either very difficult or perhaps even impossible, for some of us to conceptualize timelessness as compared to unbounded time such as eternity past and eternity future.

As created beings, time (and space) frame our sense of reality. And God speaks to us in Scripture using those frames, which is to say this heaven and earth. The Final Cause, the flow from beginning to end, Alpha to Omega - the purpose of this heaven and earth - is revealed as the next heaven and earth:

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. – Gen 1:1

Remember the former things of old: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else; [I am] God, and [there is] none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: - Isaiah 46:9-10

But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. – Matt 24:36

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. - Rev 1:8

And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. – Rev 21:6

From Revelation 21 and 22 we can understand there will be some type of space and time in the next heaven and earth. But I assert that we should not presuppose that it will be the same as it is in this heaven and earth.

13,863 posted on 05/03/2007 8:50:58 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

From Revelation 21 and 22 we can understand there will be some type of space and time in the next heaven and earth. But I assert that we should not presuppose that it will be the same as it is in this heaven and earth.
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I think that’s an important point.

Sometimes it seems like folks fail to think things through fully. And a kind of mentality sets in imagining Heaven to be some wispy ethereal fogland of disembodied spirits.

God makes a point of resurrecting Christ’s Body and promises to resurrect authentic believers’ bodies. Should prove interesting with those who were ashed in house fires and the like. But even humans can create clones from DNA. So I’m confident God has my recipe. Besides, as Scripture declares, He could raise up children of Abraham praising God from rocks.

Anyway—God has REALITY in store for us. Enhanced—Super-Enhanced REALITY. . . . not some foggy, cloudy pseudo existence.


13,866 posted on 05/03/2007 9:00:47 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Forest Keeper; Dr. Eckleburg; 1000 silverlings; betty boop; Quix; hosepipe; ...
I was not suggesting re-incarnation in my comments

I interepted your post as agreeing with our Protestant friends who seem to believe that souls pre-exist bodies, to wit:

To which Dr. E responds

clearly signaling that the Old Testament (in her opinion) teaches the pre-existence of the souls.

To which I asked for Biblical references (which i have not received), showing that the Bible teaches pre-existence of thre souls.

To say that God knew us before He created us is to separate God's thoughts and creation, which are one and the same. The Bible doesn't tell us that God creates first by "thinking it out," but instead by Word: "Let there be light." And light is created. God created man after He created light and earth, etc. So, man's existence was not before all ages, but on "day" six, when time and the sun and all other things already existed.

And even then, man was not really created until God breathed the soul through man's nostrils. So, there was a deifnite time, not before all ages, when man was not and his soul was not. The same goes for all of us.

13,879 posted on 05/03/2007 2:44:06 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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