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To: kosta50
Of course Adam was created perfect and the comparsion is made in Romans 5 Wrong. That would make Adam divine. Only God is perfect.

No, Adam was made a perfect man, without sin.

The Angels were created also perfect, without sin.

A perfect God is totally capable of creating perfect beings.

So Christ was born without sin and thus, the Second Adam, representing mankind (Rom.5).

Christ had two natures and two wills, thus His human will just as able to reject the will of the Father as that of the first Adam

Nope. That would make Him imperfect. There was no possibility for Christ to sin. His two wills are in perfect harmony.

Well, according to your own Church, you are a heretic, denying the pronouncement of 6th major ecumenical Council

The Council's Pronouncement "Christ had two natures with two activities: as God working miracles, rising from the dead and ascending into heaven; as Man, performing the ordinary acts of daily life. Each nature exercises its own free will."(emphasis added) Christ's divine nature had a specific task to perform and so did His human nature. Each nature performed those tasks set forth without being confused, subjected to any change or working against each other. The two distinct natures and related to them activities were mystically united in the one Divine Person of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." http://www.goarch.org/en/ourfaith/articles/article8069.asp<

Christ's human will had to make a decision to obey the will of the Father, which His Divine will did not have to make.

The Trinity is made up of three persons who share the same divine essence

Which is godliness or deity. There is no "His" (Christ's) deity; it's the same essence of the Father and the Holy Ghost.

Christ has two natures, one Divine and one Human.

To deny that is to deny the 3rd Ecumenical Council's pronouncment,

Jesus Christ and the Son of God, Logos. The Council decreed that Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God (Logos), is complete God and complete man, with a rational soul and body. http://www.goarch.org/en/ourfaith/articles/article8066.asp<

Well of course not, you have your own personal theological system going, that rejects what the Bible says and what your own Church teaches

That makes me a "Protestant" I suppose. They are just my opinions. I defer to the Church in the final analysis; a Protestant remains his own "pontiff."

No, a Protestant is under the authority of the Bible.

You 'defer' to the Church but you reject what it teaches in these major doctrines.

In other words, you give 'lip service' to them, professing to believe them, but in reality rejecting them.

I hope others of the Orthodox faith take note of your rejection of your own Church dogma, which you have denied in these posts.

13,851 posted on 05/03/2007 4:19:36 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (For what saith the scripture? (Rom.4:3))
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To: fortheDeclaration
The Angels were created also perfect, without sin

Perfect beings don't fall. Certainly Jesus did not appear wondering if he was going to fail! Your way of thinking leaves God in the dark.

Me: Nope. That would make Him imperfect. There was no possibility for Christ to sin. His two wills are in perfect harmony

You: Well, according to your own Church, you are a heretic, denying the pronouncement of 6th major ecumenical Council...The Council's Pronouncement "Christ had two natures with two activities: as God working miracles...; as Man, performing the ordinary acts of daily life. Each nature exercises its own free will."(emphasis added)..."

The only problem is you added emphases in the wrong place. Had you read beyond the buzz words you were cherry-picking, you'd have noticed the following:

As I said before, Christ's two wills are in perfect harmony; there is no possibility that one would opose the other. Otherwise he would not have been neiyther perfect god, not perfect Man.

I am sure that God knew that Adam would fail as much as he knew that Jesus would not reject the Cross. Are you suggesting Christ lived in the dark as to the outcome?

13,876 posted on 05/03/2007 1:56:20 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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