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To: kosta50; annalex; Kolokotronis; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; kawaii; hosepipe
Jesus and God are one Person.

"God" is one Godhead and our Lord Jesus is one person. But what you say is also correct. So, if you acknowledge that "God" is included with Jesus then you must agree with me that Jesus did not raise Himself EXCLUSIVELY of "God". Your statement supports my position that "God raised Jesus" is NOT inconsistent with "Jesus rose".

Jesus did not need "God" from the side to resurrect, ...

I thought you just told me that "God" is never "to the side" of Jesus. I agree.

... just as he did not need the Spirit to "guide" Him in the desert, ...

In the scripture, I don't think there was ever any expression of "need", just an expression of "deed".

Many a heresy sprang out of the words chosen by the Apostles, and much rationalizing took place to deny what otherwise seems obvious.

Well, were they GOD'S words, OR were they the Apostles' words? Any words written in any language are subject to "heresy". God decides on whom to bestow eyes and ears.

FK: "This has always been a standard method of preaching."

Among apocalyptic Jews, yes. But not 'away,' because that sect was of relatively recent origin.

I was really talking more about us Christians today. :) As ironic as I know it must sound to you, this is how we preach! :) For example:

2 Cor 6:2 : 2 For he says, "In the time of my favor I heard you, and in the day of salvation I helped you." I tell you, now is the time of God's favor, now is the day of salvation.

I know that "the day" means since Jesus has come, and so it is correct today that every day is "the day" of salvation. No one can know if he will wake up in the morning or not, and we also know that a day is coming when it will be too late. Therefore, I include the idea of urgency, generally, to prospects in witnessing.

While I would not be shocked if it happens, I do not personally have a firm belief that the end will happen in my lifetime. However, since the stakes are so high, as they always have been, there is no service to the prospect in condoning procrastination.

13,803 posted on 05/02/2007 12:41:35 AM PDT by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper; annalex; Kolokotronis; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; kawaii
God" is one Godhead and our Lord Jesus is one person. But what you say is also correct. So, if you acknowledge that "God" is included with Jesus then you must agree with me that Jesus did not raise Himself EXCLUSIVELY of "God". Your statement supports my position that "God raised Jesus" is NOT inconsistent with "Jesus rose"

I am afraid you are treating Jesus as man, with God "inside" of Him.

13,812 posted on 05/02/2007 7:34:34 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Forest Keeper; annalex; Kolokotronis; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; kawaii
Kosta:... just as he did not need the Spirit to "guide" Him in the desert, ...

FK: In the scripture, I don't think there was ever any expression of "need", just an expression of "deed"

Why then is the "need" to mention that the Spirit was with Him? The Spirit is always with Him. But not to "take" Him into the desert.

13,814 posted on 05/02/2007 7:41:24 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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