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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe
This is where the spiritual and not noëtic approach takes over in the ascent to God.

Definitely agreed, kosta50!

I wrote: "And I imagine that what and how we think is amazingly consequential to the unfoldment of divine reality."

And you replied: "I don't think so. That would make us essential elements in God's plan. Our rejection of God only hurts us, not God's plan. God is impartial, perfect Judge."

Forgive me if I continue to think that human beings are critically important (in a way I admit is inscrutible to me) to God's plan for Creation. Were that not so, God would not have made humans "stewards" of all Creation; and when man fell, the Creation would not have fallen with him. FWIW.

13,735 posted on 04/30/2007 6:17:58 AM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein.)
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe
Thanks betty boop.

I continue to think that human beings are critically important (in a way I admit is inscrutible to me) to God's plan for Creation

That sounds a bit narcissistic to me. Believing that we are God's central creation created the Old World Order. With Aristotelian logic (combining the First Cause with the Final Cause) and even using gravity to 'prove' it (proof here being only that it "makes sense") with his famous "things fall towards the center" revelation, the ecclesial notion that man is God's central creation was even more so reinforced by such working mathematical models of as Ptolemy's navigational system.

Three independent sources of human knowledge, logic, faith and science, all came to the same conclusion! We are not only God's central creation, but are even physically in the center of that Creation. That was a powerful constellation of human brain power that was so hard to shake, even when evidence to the contrary became unquestionable.

We must not start with the narcissistic conclusion, and then try to find evidence to support it. The fact that God created us, and the rest of the world, is all important, even perhaps critical. We cannot isolate ourselves from the rest of that Creation and say we are critical and everything else is not.

Because everything is interrelated, our fall caused the Creation to fall as well. It is not an individual's importance that is critial, but an individual's responsibility towards the the rest that is, because we drag others, and everything else to fall down with us if we fall.

13,736 posted on 04/30/2007 6:40:32 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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