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To: Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; Quix; Kolokotronis; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; kawaii; kosta50; ...
why do you suppose the Bible uses each term distinctly very often?>

By different authors? Justification means acquital of fault, and salvation means defeat of death. Not quite the same but for the purposes of our discussion the distinction is not significant.

The Church will give him grace. Men will give him grace. I am surprised

Well, the Church will give grace because she is send by Christ. The Church is the transmission belt.

The strictest sense of this quote would be that "God sent God, as God, and now He sends the Apostles, as God".

Ah. Don't tell me another time your mariophobia has no deleterious effects. God did not send Christ as God. God sent Christ as Man. Christ as God could not be sent anywhere He is God now and forever and outside of time. Now, Christ, in this verse, plain text, sends the Church likewise, like men. I know it is shocking, but all I do is read what is written.

13,665 posted on 04/27/2007 9:40:18 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex; blue-duncan; Quix; Kolokotronis; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; kawaii; kosta50; wmfights; ...
FK: "The strictest sense of this quote [John 20:21] would be that "God sent God, as God, and now He sends the Apostles, as God"."

Ah. Don't tell me another time your mariophobia has no deleterious effects. God did not send Christ as God. God sent Christ as Man.

What? What do you mean God did not send Christ as God? He was sent as both, since He WAS both. And, what does this have to do with Mary? I'm not following you.

Christ as God could not be sent anywhere. He is God now and forever and outside of time.

If you want to take it from God's POV, that is always fine with me. As you know, I do it all the time. :) In this case, Christ as God is "sending Himself", as it were. I do the same thing when I decide to run an errand. Not a big deal to me. The language used is more suited to the human POV, but it is adaptable to God's also.

Now, Christ, in this verse, plain text, sends the Church likewise, like men. I know it is shocking, but all I do is read what is written.

I presume you mean to distinguish the elite hierarchy from the laity ("Church" vs. men). I would certainly agree that all the Christian Catholic hierarchy are also called to follow Christ, minister, lead, etc. So are all Protestant pastors, ministers, deacons, etc. Nothing shocking there. I think we again disagree on who "the Church" is. Your hierarchy was included in the verse, but not to the exclusion of other Christians. That's the difference.

14,095 posted on 05/07/2007 7:58:02 AM PDT by Forest Keeper
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