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To: annalex; blue-duncan; Quix; Kolokotronis; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; kawaii; kosta50
FK: "It appears you may be introducing a third option. If a person must REMAIN elect, then that erases any idea of predestination of any sort. If one's state of election is constantly in flux, then what is your concept of predestination?"

No, you got it right the first time. I am merely describing from the point of view of the faithful, who does not have the divine TIVO and is effecting his own election by his free will.

OK, then the faithful effect their own elections by using their free wills. While I obviously respectfully disagree, I really do appreciate your candor and straightforwardness. We would say that election is based solely on the dominion of the sovereignty of God.

In most places, the scripture adopts the same view, because it is more important to tell the faithful to make the right choice than to instill augustinianism in him.

You refer to outward calls, and there are many in scripture, and they are all good. When I witness to prospects I often quote outward calls, and it is good. However, there ARE deeper spiritual truths that are learned during sanctification. We believe that some of Saint Augustine's teachings are among them. :)

FK: "... new slavery is NOT voluntary"

Of course it is. You choose to repent, grow in faith and obey the Gospel.

I am speaking of ultimate credit, which belongs to God alone. Yes, we make the choices you illustrate, but these all belong to God. The glory only goes to God.

13,657 posted on 04/27/2007 7:33:47 AM PDT by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; Quix; Kolokotronis; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; kawaii; kosta50
the faithful effect their own elections by using their free wills.

Yes, -- although the sacrifice of Christ made this grand scheme possible.

13,693 posted on 04/28/2007 5:26:04 PM PDT by annalex
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