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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I’m no theologian, but Mr. Calvin’s use of Plato’s ‘Republic’ as a basis on which to condemn the Church as non-scriptural is pure genius.

Who knew Plato was Scripture!


13,622 posted on 04/26/2007 2:58:12 PM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: reagandemocrat
I hope you read the link you offered and didn't just see the word "Plato" and over-react.

Let's see what Calvin actually said about Plato...

CALVIN'S INSTITUTES
BOOK 4
Chapter 18

THEIR VANITY PROVED EVEN BY PLATO

15. Plato's remarks on similar pretense and delusion

There is a most elegant passage in the second book of Plato's Republic. Speaking of ancient expiations, and deriding the foolish confidence of wicked and iniquitous men, who thought that by them, as a kind of veils, they concealed their crimes from the gods; and, as if they had made a paction with the gods, indulged themselves more securely, he seems accurately to describe the use of the expiation of the mass, as it exists in the world in the present day. All know that it is unlawful to defraud and circumvent another. To do injustice to widows, to pillage pupils, to molest the poor, to seize the goods of others by wicked arts, to get possession of any mans succession by fraud and perjury, to oppress by violence and tyrannical terror, all admit to be impious. How then do so many, as if assured of impunity, dare to do all those things? Undoubtedly, if we duly consider, we will find that the only thing which gives them so much courage is, that by the sacrifice of the mass as a price paid, they trust that they will satisfy God, or at least will easily find a means of transacting with him.

Plato next proceeds to deride the gross stupidity of those who think by such expiations to redeem the punishments which they must otherwise suffer after death. And what is meant by anniversaries and the greater part of masses in the present day, but just that those who through life have been the most cruel tyrants, or most rapacious plunderers or adepts in all kinds of wickedness, may, as if redeemed at this price, escape the fire of purgatory?

And here's what looks to be a great article by Cornelius Van Til which I haven't yet read but intend to get to later today...

CALVIN THE CONTROVERSIALIST

13,623 posted on 04/26/2007 3:37:59 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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