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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; wmfights; HarleyD; 1000 silverlings; blue-duncan; Quix; Alamo-Girl; ...
God foresees all possible scenarios.

Just the "possible scenarios?" Not the actual occurrence, the true reality of what did and does occur?

If He predestined every step then there would be no need for His intervention.

Are God's "interventions" known to Him before they occur; before we pray for them?

If so, then they would be prefigured into His plan for creation before any actual intervention in time.

Nothing is unknown to Him, most especially our "choices." Thus every action that occurs in time is known by God in its entirety from before the foundation of the world.

His "interventions" aren't contemporaneous with our prayers. They are part of God's plan for creation, every speck ordained by God for His glory.

That's why even though we are reminded that "your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him." (Matthew 6:8), we are to ask anyway.

Our prayers are not to inform God, but rather to conform us.

13,616 posted on 04/26/2007 1:41:11 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Thank you, Dr. E, for citing us to John Calvin’s writings—here-

http://www.reformed.org/books/institutes/books/book4/bk4ch18.html

Whenever I start questioning my Faith, I simply read Mr. Calvin’s vitriolic attacks on the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, and know I’m in the right spiritual place.

Thanks again.

RD


13,617 posted on 04/26/2007 2:10:42 PM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; wmfights; HarleyD; 1000 silverlings; blue-duncan; Quix; Alamo-Girl
Thank you very much, Dr. E on your opinion. I don't agree with you that God is limited to only one possibility, but I would agree that nothing is unknown to Him (although this is purely based on faith).

Are God's "interventions" known to Him before they occur; before we pray for them?

Yes and no. I would imagine that to God there is nothing that can be described as "before." But I would say that an omniscient God knows everything.

If so, then they would be prefigured into His plan for creation before any actual intervention in time

What we do affects us and not God. We cannot affect, derail or sabotage His sovereignty. But we can choose not to follow Him, not because He programmed us, but because He gave us that freedom by His permission and will.

And He will take that freedom into account when He judges us according to our deeds.

His "interventions" aren't contemporaneous with our prayers. They are part of God's plan for creation, every speck ordained by God for His glory

The bible clearly says He adds years to those whose prayers He hears. Sound like His plan was two-progned: if you pray I will add years; if you don't I won't. Make your choice, o man! He offers blessings. What we do with them is up to us, to use them for more blessings or for evil. Either way, it's our choice, by His permission.

Our prayers are not to inform God, but rather to conform us.

Of course not. They are petitions.

13,633 posted on 04/26/2007 8:25:39 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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