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To: Forest Keeper; xzins; wagglebee
Mary's pregnancy was not supernatural, the conception of Jesus was

So, at which point did the supernatural conception become a "natural" pregnancy and progressed to a "natural" delivery?

It's no problem if you want to disagree with what he said, but the fact remains that he said it. :)

+Ignatius was struggling with cults that denied Christ's humanity and he was doing his best to convince them of that.

This was extrtaiblical stuff. +Ignatius was not there when it happened, so he was giving them his version of it with a clear goal, purpose, interest and desire of convincing them that Christ was not only true God but true man as well.

The recond shows that it is not just I who disagrees with him as much as I understand his motivation, but the entire Church since then.

1,359 posted on 12/13/2006 7:53:04 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Forest Keeper; xzins; wagglebee

Lest it be misunderstood, the sentence in #1359 "+Ignatius was struggling with cults that denied Christ's humanity and he was doing his best to convince them of that" was meant to end with "it" (meaning His humanity). +Ignatius was trying his best to convince those who denied His humanity that He was indeed true God and true man, equally divine and equally human.


1,362 posted on 12/13/2006 8:03:13 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; xzins; wagglebee
So, at which point did the supernatural conception become a "natural" pregnancy and progressed to a "natural" delivery?

Well, conception is an event that takes place in an instant. I don't think of it as a process. Once the Spirit touched Mary's egg, my opinion is that the rest was a normal pregnancy.

The record shows that it is not just I who disagrees with [Ignatius on this issue] as much as I understand his motivation, but the entire Church since then.

I can appreciate his motives as well, and I realize that his views on this subject are by no means Apostolic teaching today.

1,587 posted on 12/16/2006 12:00:26 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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