God is outside of time and predestines as our time marches on. This is the Catholic and generally pre-Reformation teaching. What I am saying is that one can write from the timelessness of God point of view, and one can write from the indivudual-in-time point of view. To the individual the election appears lost. To God, of course, there has never been an election.
Again, I direct you to the most lucid explanation by Bishop Minatios On Predestination; we discussed it at length on the Erasmus thread.
God is outside of time and predestines as our time marches on. This is the Catholic and generally pre-Reformation teaching. What I am saying is that one can write from the timelessness of God point of view, and one can write from the indivudual-in-time point of view. To the individual the election appears lost. To God, of course, there has never been an election.
OK, so in Catholicism, there is no sense of predestination or election as those words are used in the English. That is what I wanted to confirm. What you describe is a re-vamp of your salvation model, God plus man gives a chance of salvation.
Again, I direct you to the most lucid explanation by Bishop Minatios On Predestination; we discussed it at length on the Erasmus thread.
I apologize for not remembering. I frequently do need to hear things more than once for them to sink in. :) But honestly, from your link, it seemed that the Bishop's message was basically: "We have no idea what predestination and election mean, it is a great mystery of God. Therefore, revert to the Church's teachings on free-will salvation, and ............ that is the same thing as predestination." I must admit that I was uninspired. :)