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To: kosta50; hosepipe; Dr. Eckleburg; betty boop
Thank you so much for this interesting sidebar!

My musing is that God is ever in control moving the course of history together towards the new heaven and the new earth.

I do not consider it a coincidence that Daniel prophesied of Alexander the Great, nor that Alexander the Great learned at the feet of Aristotle who learned at the feet of Plato. As a result of his conquering the civilized world, the Greek language was "normalized" and became the common language of the civilized world; and certain word concepts became common knowledge, e.g. Logos. Thus the ground was prepared for the spreading of the Gospel to the gentiles.

Also, because of this Hellenization of the Jews - the Essenes withdrew from mainstream society, the result being that the Dead Sea Scrolls were preserved thus proving the faithfulness and true antiquity of Scripture.

This passage stands out:

And there were certain Greeks among them that came up to worship at the feast: The same came therefore to Philip, which was of Bethsaida of Galilee, and desired him, saying, Sir, we would see Jesus. Philip cometh and telleth Andrew: and again Andrew and Philip tell Jesus. And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. – John 12:20-24

Everything works together for the good for those who love God and are called according to His purpose.

13,530 posted on 04/25/2007 8:49:50 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; Dr. Eckleburg; betty boop
Thak you likewise.

My musing is that God is ever in control moving the course of history together towards the new heaven and the new earth

Why new heaven? I though heaven is pristine.

I do not consider it a coincidence that Daniel prophesied of Alexander the Great, nor that Alexander the Great learned at the feet of Aristotle who learned at the feet of Plato

The book of Daniel is a highly suspect book. Its acceptance is also fragmented between different churches and groups. It's zilch to me as a reference.

As a result of his conquering the civilized world, the Greek language was "normalized" and became the common language of the civilized world; and certain word concepts became common knowledge, e.g. Logos. Thus the ground was prepared for the spreading of the Gospel to the gentiles.

A-G, the ground was prepared by the Jews rejecting Christ. Had Caiaphas realized that he was staring God in the eyes as he condemned Christ, Alexander and his Greek influence would have been meaningless.

Had the Jews not asked for Barabbas, had the Jews not thrown Christ's followers out of the synagogues, just as Christ predicts in the Gospel, had the 12 tribes of Israel not rejected His teachings, Christianity would have never needed to seek Gentiles. It was not the reason He came and it was not what he instructed the Apostles to do.

And, since we are here quoting what Jesus and others "said." Ancient writers quoted others as they believed what a particular person would have said, and not what he or she actually said. Take such quotes with a grain of salt.

Also, because of this Hellenization of the Jews - the Essenes withdrew from mainstream society

The Essenes had issues with the Sanhedrin in Jerusalem who were, as you know, Sadducees, thoroughly opposed to resurrection, messianic apocalypticismn of the Essenes and angeology of the Pharisees, and who subscribed only to Torah (Five Books of Moses) as the Jewish canon.

Dead Sea Scrolls were preserved thus proving the faithfulness and true antiquity of Scripture

Dead Sea Scrolls proved no such thing. If anything they show us that the Scripture was not unified or that there was a set "Jewish canon." Rather, Judaism was a sectarian society, laced with different beliefs and scriptural canon.

13,576 posted on 04/25/2007 8:05:04 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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