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To: annalex; HarleyD; wmfights; Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; 1000 silverlings; Kitty Mittens; ...
This is why I profoundly despise this miserable, conceited, hateful liar. He could only operate among the miserable, conceited, hateful semiliterates.

The 16th century was a dangerous time, when a man could be killed for disagreeing with Rome. And certainly literacy, especially Biblical literacy, was not encouraged by Rome, but very nearly forbidden.

I appreciate the opportunity to offer the rebuttal to your appraisal of Calvin...

JOHN CALVIN

"Calvin was twenty-five years younger than Luther and Zwingli, and had the great advantage of building on the foundation which they had laid. The first ten years of Calvin's public career were contemporary with the last ten of Luther's although the two never met personally...

At the time Calvin came upon the scene it had not yet been determined whether Luther was to be the hero of a great success or the victim of a great failure. Luther had produced new ideas; Calvin's work was to construct them into a system, to preserve and develop what had been so nobly begun. The Protestant movement lacked unity and was in danger of being sunk in the quicksand of doctrinal dispute, but was saved from that fate chiefly by the new impulse which was given to it by the Reformer in Geneva.

In order to estimate the true value of Calvin's commentaries, it must be borne in mind that they were based on principles of exegesis which were rare in his day. "He led the way," says R. C. Reed, "in discarding the custom of allegorizing the Scriptures, a custom which had come down from the earliest centuries of Christianity and which had been sanctioned by the greatest names of the Church, from Origen to Luther, a custom which converts the Bible into a nose of wax, and makes a lively fancy the prime qualification of an exegete." Calvin adhered strictly to the spirit and letter of the author and assumed that the writer had one definite thought which was expressed in natural everyday language. He mercilessly exposed the corrupt doctrines and practices of the Roman Catholic Church. His writings inspired the friends of reform and furnished them with most of their deadly ammunition. We can hardly overestimate the influence of Calvin in furthering and safeguarding the Reformation...

Calvin was a master of patristic and scholastic learning. Having been educated in the leading universities of his time, he possessed a thorough knowledge of Latin and French, and a good knowledge of Greek and Hebrew. His principal commentaries appeared in both French and Latin versions and are works of great thoroughness. They are eminently fair and frank, and show the author to have been possessed of a singular balance and moderation in judgment...

Witness as to the effectiveness of the influences which emanated from Geneva is found in one of the letters of the Roman Catholic Francis de Sales to the duke of Savoy, urging the suppression of Geneva as the capital of what the Romish Church calls heresy. "All the heretics," said he, "respect Geneva as the asylum of their religion.... There is not a city in Europe which offers more facilities for the encouragement of heresy, for it is the gate of France, of Italy, and of Germany, so that one finds there people of all nations — Italians, French, Germans, Poles, Spaniards, English, and of countries still more remote. Besides, every one knows the great number of ministers bred there. Last year it furnished twenty to France. Even England obtains ministers from Geneva. What shall I say of its magnificent printing establishments, by means of which the city floods the world with its wicked books, and even goes the length of distributing them at the public expense? ....All the enterprises undertaken against the Holy See and the Catholic princes have their beginnings at Geneva. No city in Europe receives more apostates of all grades, secular and regular. From thence I conclude that Geneva being destroyed would naturally lead to the dissipation of heresy."

...Calvin had expressly forbidden all pomp at his funeral and the erection of any monument over his grave. He wished to be buried, like Moses, out of reach of idolatry. This was consistent, with his theology, which humbles man and exalts God." Even the spot of his grave in the cemetery at Geneva is unknown. A plain stone, with the initials "J. C.," is pointed out to strangers as marking his resting-place, but it is not known on what authority. He himself requested that no monument should mark his grave. His real monument, however, says S. L. Morris, is "every republican government on earth, the public school system of all nations, and 'The Reformed Churches throughout the world holding the Presbyterian System.'...

He was, beyond all question, a man sent from God, a world shaker, such as appears only a few times in the history of the world."


13,496 posted on 04/24/2007 5:56:22 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Tasty reparte' on John Calvin.. Thanks..

I'm not a Calvinist per se but there are many names and personalitys of the era that most Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox christians are probably ignorant of.. Personalitys very important to understand the history of those times..

13,498 posted on 04/24/2007 6:54:10 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; wmfights; Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; 1000 silverlings; Kitty Mittens
You can praise the man as day is long; the quality of his theological work condemns him.

Whatever was wrong with availability of the scripture in 16c. no longer obtains today. The full canon is available online in any language (The Unbound Bible), searchable. The Fathers of the Church, the Summa, and the Catechism of the Church is also available. Anyone can do the same Catholic apologetics I do for himself and expose Luther and Calvin's lies. It is not hard. Honest seminary-educated earstwhile Protestants study and convert, and are happy to tell their stories (Steve Ray, Patrick Madrid, Scott Hahn, Jimmy Akin, Marcus Grodi). Grodi has a daily radio program with convert guests, Journey Home. The era of Protestant We-Are-The-Bible-Believing-Christians conceit is over, and the scales are coming off the eyes of the best ofthem.

13,562 posted on 04/25/2007 2:59:33 PM PDT by annalex
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