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To: Alamo-Girl

With most of what you say I have no dispute. However, “As my Father had sent me, I send you” is not a throwaway phrase. With it Christ, one with the Father, reminds us of the Incarnation where the Father indeed sent His human person, and He says that He likewise sends His apostolic Church as human persons. This is indisputable gospel.

Baptism is in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, but people effect the baptism, and upon baptism one enters the Church. This is also indisputable gospel: when people convinced by St. Peter ask what should they do, he answers: repent and be baptised everyone.

Hence the Church of men is in the “send” relationship to Christ, and the baptism is what the Church offers, her primary gift of membership.

It is really amazing that anyone disputes this. It is not an obscure doctrinal issue.


13,486 posted on 04/24/2007 2:07:54 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex
As I have said before, if the Catholic Church (like Peter) recognizes as members of the church those persons outside of the Catholic Church who have been baptized in the Holy Spirit - then there is no problem at all.

And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as [he did] unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God? - Acts 11:15-17


13,540 posted on 04/25/2007 9:26:04 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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