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To: Alamo-Girl; DarthVader; AlbionGirl; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe; hosepipe; .30Carbine
Every Christian receives the Holy Spirit:

Ordinarily, the Holy Ghost is received from the Church. I agree that extraordinary things happen. I believe for example in the miracle of Fatima, where Mary appeared directly to the children. These are works of the Holy Spirit.

The Church however does make a distinction between private revelation such as this on one hand, and the general revelation of the Church, and the holy sacraments, on the other. In the latter we have the safety of absolute faith. The former may be believed so long as no contradiction to the general revelation is introduced, but it does not have to be believed. For example, the fact that Christ will come to judge the living and the dead is general revelation all Catholics are supposed to believe. The fact that Our Lady wishes Russia to be consecrated to the Immaculate Conception is something we may believe or not.

13,284 posted on 04/22/2007 4:49:45 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex

the Holy Ghost is received from the Church.
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VERY UN-Scriptural.

The Bible declares through Christ that THE FATHER WOULD SEND THE COMFORTER

AND

That Holy Spirit distributes GIFTS AS !!!!HE!!!! WILL.

The magicsterical bureaucracy and ecclesiastical hierarchy are essentially out of the loop.

Certainly they come around and lay hands on . . . and IF there is some anointing in the one laying hands on another, then Holy Spirit will operate accordingly AS HE WILL.

But most of the time, in ALL denominations and congregations I’ve observed, the human laying on of hands is—particularly in ceremonial instances—affirming something GOD HAS !ALREADY! DONE.


13,287 posted on 04/22/2007 6:22:56 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: annalex; Alamo-Girl; Quix; Forest Keeper; wmfights; HarleyD; blue-duncan; DarthVader; .30Carbine; ..
the Holy Ghost is received from the Church.

And thus from such error God ordained the Reformation.

The church is not the wrangler of the Holy Spirit. The church exists to faithfully proclaim the Scriptures. Scripture is always preeminent over the church because the church resides in the shadow of the Holy Spirit who guides our understanding of Scripture with a new heart given by God.

Not vice versa.

"While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?" -- Acts 10:44-45;47

INSTITUTES OF THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION
Chapter 2
COMPARISON BETWEEN THE FALSE CHURCH AND THE TRUE

13,289 posted on 04/22/2007 6:31:59 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: annalex; DarthVader; AlbionGirl; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe; hosepipe; .30Carbine
Ordinarily, the Holy Ghost is received from the Church.

If the Church believes this, and teaches it, then the contention against Catholicism cannot end.

The Holy Spirit is God. The Church is not God. No thing controls God - God has no "boundaries."

13,301 posted on 04/22/2007 9:22:31 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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