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To: Alamo-Girl; Kolokotronis; Quix; annalex; .30Carbine; betty boop; hosepipe
If I had fear of demonic possession (which I don’t) – it would be tantamount to telling God I do not believe Him or that I do not trust Him

Hardly, A-G. It would mean that our faith makes us righteous, blameless and sinless, immune to any temptation. It would mean we are as perfect as He is, for only He could not be tempted by the devil.

Spiritual pride is a dangerous delusion. Apostle Paul warns [my ephases]:


13,029 posted on 04/18/2007 1:51:58 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

I don’t know how to handle this in the religion forum where it belongs. It’s from a thread in News/Activism:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1819478/posts?page=52#52

But, kosta50, what’s your perspective on such as this:

“They said, ‘What do you mean that you’ve accepted Christ – you mean you don’t believe in our gods [Catholic saints]?’” Mendez told Compass. “And I said, ‘Well, those were just apostles, and now I belong to Christ.’”

The town leaders threatened to jail Mendez, and the following day they summoned him again after consulting with villagers, including other catechists. Mendez verified to them that he had heard the gospel in another community and now wanted to become part of an Alas de Aguila (Eagle’s Wings) church in Pasté, he said.

Home Burned, Family Tortured
Vasquez, whose church has grown to 60 to 80 mainly Tzotzil- or Tzeltal-speaking people since he began it in 1996, is no stranger to area persecution from traditionalist Catholics.

In 1998, local political bosses (caciques) put him in jail for 24 hours without food. In 2000, he was released from jail only after the intervention of Chiapas Religious Affairs officials – who promptly demanded that he contribute to and participate in the traditionalist Catholic religious festivals, which the pastor said amounted to a denial of his faith.

“An attorney from the government told me, ‘You know what? I’m a Christian, but you have to do what we say,’” Pastor Vasquez recalled. “And I told her, ‘As an authority you cannot obligate me to deny my faith, because, as you know very well, that goes against the constitution. Secondly, as a Christian, you cannot obligate me to deny my faith and all the things that my faith requires.’ So she was left something ashamed.”

The state religious affairs ministry had more success forcing his congregation to commit to participating in the traditionalist Catholic rites, which bring caciques not only festival fees but alcohol sales income. The congregation subsequently abandoned him, Pastor Vasquez said.

“They said to me, ‘You like to get into trouble, and we don’t want trouble, so we’ve signed the agreement with the government,’” Pastor Vasquez said. He was going to leave the area, but he said God told him two things: “Cowards flee,” and “Cowards have no part in me.”

Hence he signed the government agreement, which allowed him to continue preaching as long as he contributed to and participated in the traditionalist Catholic festivals – something “very painful,” he said. The church grew so much, however, that by August 20, 2000, the caciques again jailed him, his father and his two brothers – and burned down his house.

I’m incredulous.


13,031 posted on 04/18/2007 2:02:25 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: kosta50; hosepipe; Kolokotronis
I fail to see where believing God, trusting Him, counting on Him has anything to do with spiritual pride - or any kind of pride. Seems to me it requires complete devotion - humility - choosing God's will over self-will, the polar opposite of pride.
13,040 posted on 04/18/2007 7:51:29 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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