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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl

Claiming that something I say or do is HS working through me is narcissistic and misleading. We have no way of knowing what is an illusion and what is real when it comes to that. We have no way of convincing others with anything but “miracles” and last time I checked no one has raised any dead lately.
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NOT AT ALL.

1. CHRIST SAID HIS SHEEP KNEW HIS VOICE. That sort of asserts, that if one doesn’t know/hear HIS VOICE, one may not be his sheep. In any case—it is considered normative by Christ that His Kids will hear and know HIS VOICE. THE “STILL SMALL VOICE” OF HIS SPIRIT. Walking in that awareness, insight and live dynamic between God and man is merely being obedient to God and Scripture.

2. There’s a pastor in charge of a lot of rural churches in Northern/Central Mexico. I don’t recall his name. He periodically has young bucks apply to be pastors under him. HE WILL NOT EVEN CONSIDER THEM FOR CANDIDACY UNTIL THEY HAVE HAD AT LEAST SEVERAL BONA FIDE, PROVEN RESURRECTIONS CREDITED TO THEIR MINISTRY.

3. There have also been a number of verified resurrections in China and some in the Philippines and I think in Brazil. I don’t know about other areas. No, I don’t have any links for the data. Should be available on the net.


12,956 posted on 04/17/2007 9:08:36 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: kosta50; Quix; Quester; kawaii; hosepipe; betty boop; marron; Kolokotronis; Forest Keeper
Thank you both for your replies, insights and pings to this sidebar!

me: But I take nothing as Truth unless the Spirit personally authenticates it to me

Kosta50: Well, this is the ultimate in mysticism. Saying that what I do or think or conclude is the work of the Spirit is, in effect, a claim to divine revelation, and I don't buy it.

Quix: No, it’s merely New Testament life of believers as taught in the New Testament I Cor 12-14. Not buying into Scriptural Christian life is missing out on what God has provided.

I have known the indwelling Spirit personally and Christ through Him, personally for nigh onto a half century. I trust Him, I believe Him, I count on Him. Whether or not you, kosta50, believe my testimony makes no difference. I will continue to trust Him, believe Him and count on Him - no matter what you think of it.

And thank you, dear brother Quix – I know that you also experience the Holy Spirit, and diligently try to follow His leading (Romans 8). I know that you know we can do nothing apart from Jesus (John 15) and that we must always walk in the Light (I John 1:5-10.).

Lead me in thy truth, and teach me: for thou [art] the God of my salvation; on thee do I wait all the day. – Psalms 25:5

Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. – Proverbs 3:5-6

Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? – Isaiah 53:1

At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and [he] to whomsoever the Son will reveal [him]. – Matt 11:25-27

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. – John 3:5-6

God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth. – John 4:24

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. – John 16:13

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. – Romans 8:9

Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. II Cor 2:6-16

Kosta50, you also said:

Claiming that something I say or do is HS working through me is narcissistic and misleading.

To the contrary, I assert it is not narcissistic to discern and be diligent in following the Spirit v our carnal nature. (Romans 8) It is simply being alive in Him.

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. – Gal 2:20

For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. – Col 3:3


12,958 posted on 04/17/2007 9:43:45 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Quix; Alamo-Girl
CHRIST SAID HIS SHEEP KNEW HIS VOICE. That sort of asserts, that if one doesn’t know/hear HIS VOICE, one may not be his sheep

Okay, I can convince myself that I am being led by the HS, that these are not my opinions, but that He is whispering in my ear, and that when I say something outrageous I am testing you with that which is forbidden because I have a revelation. C'mon, Quix, let's be real.

You'd believe me as much as I believe you.

12,960 posted on 04/17/2007 9:46:32 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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