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To: Forest Keeper; fortheDeclaration; annalex; Kolokotronis; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; kawaii
I ask what exactly you believe the Protestant term "Sola Fide" means?

Saved by faith and not works.

Paul was correct, the end of times may come at any moment

Christ, who was an apocalyptic Jew, told His disciples that some of them will not even die (and that within this generation) the end will come.

+Paul was an apocalyptic Jews and belieevd the "end" was at hand. That's why faith was much more important than works, as there was no time for works (of faith0 but faith itself was a priority.

Of course, the generation passed and all who heard or thought they heard Christ predict the end (that part is neatly attenuated later on when He says that only the Father knows...oooh more Trinitarian discord) actually did die. The Chuch then had some 'splanin' to do. But they were always good at it. :)

Why then, does Paul not scream from the mountain tops "Baptize your infants to save their souls while there's still time!!!"?

In that case, if Paul thought it was imminent, then why does he say NOTHING of specifically baptizing infants before it's too late?

In 1 Cor 1:16 he says that he "baptized the household of Stephanas." That doesn't preclude baptizing infants. Besides, he didn't think his mission was to baptize.

12,955 posted on 04/17/2007 9:07:46 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

NO.

WITHIN THE GENERATION SEEING ISRAEL BECOME A NATION AGAIN IN A DAY; and other beginnings of Prophecied END TIMES EVENTS . . . THAT generation would see the conclusion of said END TIMES EVENTS.

It’s not really that difficult unles sone’s biases prevent such an understanding.

Nothing else fits the Scriptures and nothing else fits the historical facts.


12,957 posted on 04/17/2007 9:19:58 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper
I ask what exactly you believe the Protestant term "Sola Fide" means? Saved by faith and not works.

Amen.

Christ, who was an apocalyptic Jew, told His disciples that some of them will not even die (and that within this generation) the end will come.

Scripture please?

+Paul was an apocalyptic Jews and belieevd the "end" was at hand. That's why faith was much more important than works, as there was no time for works (of faith0 but faith itself was a priority. Of course, the generation passed and all who heard or thought they heard Christ predict the end (that part is neatly attenuated later on when He says that only the Father knows...oooh more Trinitarian discord) actually did die. The Chuch then had some 'splanin' to do. But they were always good at it. :)

No, the answer is found in Rom.11:25, 'until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in'

We don't know when that will be.

Why then, does Paul not scream from the mountain tops "Baptize your infants to save their souls while there's still time!!!"? In that case, if Paul thought it was imminent, then why does he say NOTHING of specifically baptizing infants before it's too late? In 1 Cor 1:16 he says that he "baptized the household of Stephanas." That doesn't preclude baptizing infants. Besides, he didn't think his mission was to baptize.

There is no record of any infants being baptized and Acts 8:37 gives the basis of being baptized, believing with all of thine heart that Jesus Christ is the Son of God

12,998 posted on 04/18/2007 4:17:48 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (For what saith the scripture? (Rom.4:3))
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To: kosta50; fortheDeclaration; annalex; Kolokotronis; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; kawaii
Kosta: "+Paul preaches sola fide because it is the very minimum required. The Protestant error is that it claims faith to be all that is required."

FK: "... I ask what exactly you believe the Protestant term "Sola Fide" means?"

Kosta: "Saved by faith and not works."

OK, I just wanted to clarify whether you thought that Paul was actually preaching error, i.e. that Paul subscribed to Protestant error. It "appears" you do hold that view. Of course our side would say that active error is not preached anywhere in the Bible. :)

+Paul was an apocalyptic Jew and believed the "end" was at hand. That's why faith was much more important than works, as there was no time for works (of faith) but faith itself was a priority.

Whether he knew it or not, John the Baptist preached exactly the same thing:

Matt 3:1-2 : 1 In those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the Desert of Judea 2 and saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near."

This has always been a standard method of preaching. It is meant to combat the human instinct to blow off today what can be done tomorrow. What the listener often does not not understand is that there may very well BE no tomorrow. Therefore, I do not think that Paul really thought the the end times were imminent in his time. Rather, he was using a technique. Even supposing that he did believe it, I don't believe he would fudge on core doctrine (if he believed that works were necessary for salvation) because there was no need to. With just a few extra words, he could have preached to have faith AND do works for salvation. It would have been easy, but he didn't do it. If he thought the end was really imminent he wouldn't have taken the time to write letters, knowing that it would be weeks or months before they were delivered and disseminated to his audience. Paul knew to preach faith because he knew that works would necessarily flow from true faith.

13,499 posted on 04/24/2007 8:44:52 PM PDT by Forest Keeper
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