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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl; wmfights; .30Carbine; All

Where in Scripture are we given examples of JESUS physically being in more than one place simultaneously?
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Eph 1:20

Which He wrought in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and set Him at His own right hand in the heavenly places,

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There’s nothing at all in that verse that necessarily or otherwise even indicates that Christ was in two places at once.

Christ told the ladies not to touch Him as He had not ascended to The Father, yet. Perhaps when He did before Stephen was invited to touch His hands and side—He had been formally installed “Far above all principality, and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come;” v 21.

It’s a huge leap, grope, assumption, inference, extrapolation to pretend that verse 20 has anything to do with being in two places at once.

Personally, I don’t have any problem with Christ appearing to folks around the world at the same time these days. I don’t KNOW that He does. But it wouldn’t mangle my theology if He did. I’d have trouble believing that He did so in His Heavenly bodily form vs some sort of holographic projection or some such but what do I know.

I do BELIEVE that the whole whoopla about The Blood and The Broken Body represented by the bread and juice/wine being literally His Body . . . is exceedingly overblown and idolizing substances vs worshipping Christ.

I tend toward very literalist interpretations of Scripture. But there’s nothing in the Scriptures which might apply which REQUIRE a literalist interpretation on that score. It is conceivably allowable but not REQUIRED.

Given that the language of the text does not REQUIRE IT, I think it’s a huge stretch to build an IN-GROUP/OUT-GROUP doctrine that excludes other Believers based thereon. Doesn’t sound like the Jesus I know.

I have been involved in multiple ‘spiritual house cleansings’ . . . which I heartily recommend where folks become believers or have been believers a long time but have never had one. All clear idols—buddhas etc. go. All unedifying music, books, art goes. If the person has trouble wearing only depressing clothes—they go. If there’s a piece of furniture from Aunt Mildred or Departed Mummy which have never really been enjoyed but is merely an obligation—it goes. If there’s an object in the home which is a constant source of contention—it likely goes. etc. etc.

And, then, in the TRADITION I was a part of—The Lord’s Supper is shared and the juice/wine is dabbed on representative windows and on the door posts and lentils.

I do not believe in those cases that the juice/wine turns into Christ’s literal Blood. I believe that the FAITH IN CHRIST’S REAL BLOOD AND IN HIS NAME are what operates as added protection for the home—not the ritual—but FAITH in what is behind the ritual.

Throughout Scripture it is THE FAITH of the believer operating in authentic faith IN CHRIST vs faith in faith; vs faith in ritual; vs faith in symbols; vs faith in !!!!TRADITION!!!!; vs faith in MAGICSTERICALS; vs faith in a particular Christian group/sect; vs faith in leaders; vs faith in Christ’s mother; . . . ALL very idolatrous traps.

GOD ALONE is worthy THE GLORY—ALL THE GLORY—IN EVERY SHAPE, DEGREE AND FORM. No symbol, no representation, no substitute, no alternative, no stand-in . . . . no one and nothing else will do. GOD ALONE.


12,944 posted on 04/17/2007 8:15:26 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: Quix; Alamo-Girl; wmfights; .30Carbine
That verse says that He is "set" in heavnly places. If you think God is skipping and jumping and "visiting" heavenly places (where there are wicked spirits accoridng to Paul as well), that's fine with me.

You believe that Jonah lived in the belly of a fish or that Chirst rose from the dead but you don't believe that Christ can be in more than one place at the same time...whatever. People pick and choose what they want to believe.

12,948 posted on 04/17/2007 8:37:41 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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