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To: wmfights; Forest Keeper; HarleyD; Kolokotronis; Quix; kawaii; kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg
they call her "Queen of Heaven".

And so should you if scriopture matters to you. Apocalypse 12:

1 And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered. 3 And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads, and ten horns: and on his head seven diadems: 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered; that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod: and her son was taken up to God, and to his throne.

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10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying: Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: because the accuser of our brethren is cast forth, who accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb

really don't venerate her, it's much more than that.

Like I said, we venerate all saints, but given Mary's unique role in the Incarnation and her mystical position as the mother of the Church indeed gives her veneration a special role in spiritual formation. Per Mariam ad Iesum.

12,509 posted on 04/13/2007 7:15:29 AM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex; Forest Keeper; HarleyD; Kolokotronis; Quix; kawaii; kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg
And so should you if scriopture matters to you. Apocalypse 12:

I was wondering when that would come up. I just started trying to study Revelation (lots of symbolism!) and noticed a couple of things in chapter 12.

Rev. 12:2 "Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth."

If we were to believe you church's teachings this can't be Mary because you believe she did not suffer any pain during childbirth, as stated so many times on this thread!

Rev. 12:5-6 "She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and his Throne. Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days."

In this passage the woman flees to a sanctuary After the ascension of the child and hides there for a term that is equal to the second half of the tribulation. Looking at this I think the more obvious understanding of the passage is the woman represents Israel.

12,530 posted on 04/13/2007 9:29:11 AM PDT by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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