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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; annalex; jo kus; Quix
Physical space as such is irrelevant when it comes to God, as we would surely say that God is present in all parts of the Creation, immensly vast and it is, and all at the same time. This is a highly transcendental concept which we know of but cannot comprehend.

Thank you so much for sharing your insights!

Truly, the term "eternity" is woefully inadequate in speaking of God because eternity is merely time without boundaries, i.e. ends (past or future).

I prefer the term timelessness, but it still doesn't capture the point that time is a part of Creation and not something in or by which the Creator exists.

12,474 posted on 04/12/2007 10:34:08 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
I prefer the term timelessness

Spot-on, A-G. That's why the Orthodox use "unto ages and ages" and traditional Catholics (secula seculorum)

12,476 posted on 04/12/2007 10:54:19 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Alamo-Girl

QUITE SO.

I merely objected, I think, to the notion that God does not or cannot or has not chosen to manifest in a

. . . . HEAVENLY CONTEXT . . . at least analogous to space, tangible space. I contend that the evidence is that He has.

Christ went to prepare for us an abode . . . mansions in the KJV. Might boggle the mind to construe God’s eternity of timelessness etc. and our habitation with Him in such terms . . . But there must be some applicable meaning to the words or Christ would not have used them.

I don’t think it’s ‘merely’ etherial-matrix-ness.


12,486 posted on 04/13/2007 4:21:57 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Forest Keeper; annalex; jo kus; Quix; kosta50
Kosta: "Physical space as such is irrelevant when it comes to God, as we would surely say that God is present in all parts of the Creation, immensly vast and it is, and all at the same time. This is a highly transcendental concept which we know of but cannot comprehend."

AG: " I prefer the term timelessness, but it still doesn't capture the point that time is a part of Creation and not something in or by which the Creator exists."

Now this is finally an interesting part of this otherwise way too long thread! :)

As I likely have mentioned before, the Cappadocians Fathers commented, "I believe in God; God does not "exist". And on most every icon of Christ you will see the Greek words, "Ο ΩΝ". The words don't translate into English well at all, but they sort of mean The Being which is the source and Creator of Being or Existence. Thus the Cappadocians could say that God does not "exist" since "existence" itself was created by Him ex nihilo. To carry it further, it is similarly apparent that "place" is a spacial or psychological context for "existence". And it is likewise created ex nihilo by God and thus "place" can have no meaning when applied to God because He is "everywhere" and "nowhere" "in" and "out of" what we perceive as time.

Now here's the wonderful thing about Christianity, at least in most of its earthly manifestations. The transcendence of God beyond transcendence, for us, does NOT mean that we are dealing with a divine and uncaring watchmaker or the monster Allah that the Mohammedans worship, but rather God Who calls us His sons and daughters and loves us beyond our ability to understand. It is even more marvelous when one considers the whys of the Incarnation as outlined by +Athanasius the Great, that the "Ο ΩΝ" became Man so we could, among other things know Him!

12,580 posted on 04/13/2007 3:31:18 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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