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To: P-Marlowe
The word "until" is not silence. The logical implication is that Jospeh did know Mary after the birth of Jesus.

A "word" is not silence, but an ambiguity is. The word in Greek [hews] translated as 'until' in Matt 1:25 can mean (1) up to but not excluding continuation of the action or (2) up to but not after. There is no way to tell (from the context of 1:26) which of these two senses is meant. But using the absence of a specification that removes an ambiguity as evidence for one or the other disambiguation is an argument from silence, and thus is a fallacy.

-A8

1,233 posted on 12/12/2006 2:28:43 PM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8; jo kus; xzins; blue-duncan; Frumanchu; Calvinist_Dark_Lord
There is no way to tell (from the context of 1:26) which of these two senses is meant.

Sure you can. The normal usage of the term in context would imply that the virginity of Mary was a temporary rather than a permanent condition. It was noted that she was married to Joseph, but Joseph did not consummate the marriage (know) "until" after Jesus was born.

It is only if you have a presumption that she was a perpetual virgin that you would have a problem with that being the proper use of the word in context. That presumption did not begin to show its face until 3 centuries later.

1,235 posted on 12/12/2006 2:44:00 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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