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To: jo kus
My point was that although St. Irenaeus was the first to write about the "New Eve", it seems natural to believe that others were teaching it BEFORE he wrote about it

Yes, of course, we cannot with any certainty claim to the contrary anything that is not written, or for that matter with equal certainty, claim that it was. We can perhaps presume and not much more than that.

Yes, we do mention the Virgin Mary at EVERY Mass

I couldn't imagine otherwise, but wasn't sure. Thank you for educating me.

It is hard to make that claim, because he certainly could have been relating a "tradition" of whom the author was

Actually 1 Clement quotes from vatrious Gospel verses but never mentions any of the authors. It simply says "lord Jesus Christ said..."

Whatever the custom was, +Ireanaeus found it necessary to credit the authors. Others before him apparently didn't.

12,211 posted on 04/03/2007 12:43:38 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
Actually 1 Clement quotes from vatrious Gospel verses but never mentions any of the authors. It simply says "lord Jesus Christ said..."

I am sure you are well aware that the Church Fathers often did not "cite" the Scripture chapter and verse - they merely relate "It is written...". The editors of the various books on the Church Fathers add the Scriptural locations of their citations for us who have not memorized the Bible yet!

Of course, I agree with you that the names of the writers of the Gospels are based on tradition.

Regards

12,217 posted on 04/03/2007 5:40:29 PM PDT by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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