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To: jo kus
From Hebrew 11:8-19 we have Abrahams walk of faith that showed that he had believed what God said (Gen.15:6) And there you have it. One's faith shown(emphasis added) by their works. Without works of love, you have dead faith, worthless for salvation. Without faith, you cannot be pleasing to God. Really, you haven't shown how we are saved by faith alone, and James quite clearly says we are not saved by faith alone. end of story.

No, one's faith is shown by his works, but it is not the works that save them, it is the faith that saves them, the works only show that faith.

If the faith is dead, then men cannot see it.

So, what James is saying matches what Paul is saying, but James is saying a faith to be seen must be seen by works, but Paul is saying that the faith that saves is without works.

In Heb.11 we see that faith that saved Abraham in Gen.15 (without works-Rom.4) grow into a more intimate relationship with God (friend of God-James 2).

Salvation is an event,(1Cor.1:18) growth is a process.(2Pe.3:18)

Works are rewarded at the judgement seat of Christ and there will be dead works that will receive no rewards (1Cor.3).

He that worketh not but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

So clear even a Roman Catholic can understand it-but refuses to.

12,100 posted on 03/27/2007 5:51:01 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (For what saith the scripture? (Rom.4:3))
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To: fortheDeclaration
So clear even a Roman Catholic can understand it-but refuses to.

You are clearly delusional. All the smoke and mirrors and wishful thinking and trying to confuse people with St. Paul's writings will NOT make James 2 go away...

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. James 2:17

But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? James 2:20-22

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 2:26

Do you actually think that dead faith saves???!!!

No matter what sort of phony theological explanation you come up with, you are NOT going to be able to ignore the FACT that the Bible ITSELF says that one is a "vain man" who believes one is saved by faith WITHOUT works.

The Catholic Church teaches the Truth. You are not teaching the Truth according to the entire bible. Be careful, because the NT has some interesting words for those who are teachers of false doctrine like you are passing off.

Regards

12,111 posted on 03/27/2007 10:49:52 AM PDT by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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