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To: fortheDeclaration
Abraham is saved when he first believed (Rom.4:3) and then grows in faith, showing that faith until his last test in Heb.11:17 where he is tried and passed then shows his close relationship with God, being called God's friend.(James 2)

Sorry, but Genesis 12 is discussed as an act of righteousness BEFORE the event of Genesis 15. The faith of Abraham in Genesis 12 is the same faith expressed in Genesis 15. Paul uses identical language in Hebrews to describe both incidents as instances of faith in the same manner. Thus, Hebrews 11:10 and Hebrews 11:14-16.

Is it surprising that so few Protestant commentaries address Genesis 12 and the subject of justification, although Paul uses the very same language to describe BOTH Genesis 12 and 15? You are placing artificial definitions upon what Scripture describes as similar events.

Regards

12,082 posted on 03/26/2007 6:44:43 PM PDT by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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To: jo kus
Abraham is saved when he first believed (Rom.4:3) and then grows in faith, showing that faith until his last test in Heb.11:17 where he is tried and passed then shows his close relationship with God, being called God's friend.(James 2) Sorry, but Genesis 12 is discussed as an act of righteousness BEFORE the event of Genesis 15. The faith of Abraham in Genesis 12 is the same faith expressed in Genesis 15. Paul uses identical language in Hebrews to describe both incidents as instances of faith in the same manner. Thus, Hebrews 11:10 and Hebrews 11:14-16.

From Hebrew 11:8-19 we have Abrahams walk of faith that showed that he had believed what God said (Gen.15:6)

It was his faith that resulted in his salvation and that faith revealed itself by its obedience.

That is made clear by Paul in Rom.4 where Paul states that Abraham was not saved by any works, but by his faith and to be children of Abraham, the father of faith, we must do likewise.

Is it surprising that so few Protestant commentaries address Genesis 12 and the subject of justification, although Paul uses the very same language to describe BOTH Genesis 12 and 15? You are placing artificial definitions upon what Scripture describes as similar events.

Gen.12 shows the Convenant that God made with Abraham.

Gen. 15:6 shows the faith that Abrhaham had in what God said about that Covenant and that was imputed to him for righteousness and Gen.15:6 is what Paul is referring to.

'therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace (Rom.4:16)

12,098 posted on 03/27/2007 3:47:15 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (For what saith the scripture? (Rom.4:3))
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