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To: kosta50
And did any of those heretics get their views put forth in a major Catechism? Not even Lutherans follow everything Luther proposed. In fact, they reject some of his teachings outright. What does that prove? You keep harping on this because that's all you have. The major catechism as you call it was a mistake as far as Philaret's stupid claim that only scriptures that exist in Hebrew are valid. That was the position of the Orthodx Church as a whole, and numbers are not important. Concensus is. The Church is not a democracy, but how would you know? You are outside the Church.

No one is harping on anything.

The reality is that catechism was a major one.

If Lutherans reject what Luther wrote, they have to at least acknowledge that is part of their own religious heritage, not attempt to cover it up with attacks on those who hold those views as being 'Roman Catholic propaganda'.

As for being outside the Church, anyone who is saved is part of Christ's body, which is the one true church (Eph.3) and one is made part of that church by the Holy Spirit (1Cor.12)

And you become part of that church by faith alone in Christ alone.

Yes, the real church will, that is the church built on the Rock of the Lord Jesus Christ (Mat.16,1Pe.2), not phony man-made ones.(Mk.7:7) Yes, the Church God gave to his Apostles in 33 AD and not some man-made church by a hysterical rebellious priest in the 16th century.

The 16th century was merely a return to that pure doctrine of justification by faith alone, following what the scriptures teach, not what man added to them.

Nevertheless, the Catechism was a major one, being used in a major branch of the Orthodox faith. If you knew anything even elementary about Orthodoxy you will find that 'catechism' was and still is an alien concept to the Orthodox. No one uses them! Read up on Orthodox so-called catechisms (they are a very recent phenomenon) and you'll find that they are not binding. What is binding are conciliar decisions, 7 ecumenical councils and all pan-Orthodox councils held since 1054.

What you mean is that no one uses them today.

Nevertheless, the fact is that a branch of the Orthodox church did in fact embrace a catechism that was Protestant in nature, written by a high Orthodox church offical.

As for something being 'binding' I am sure that nothing is truely binding for you, and that you can find justification in believing anything but the truth in those councils.

Yes, you are correct, but Satan and his angels know better! I agree. They, too, believe and tremble.

They believe in God and tremble, but that believe in God cannot save them.

The fallen angels have been deceived and are following Satan to eternal damnation.

And many religious people are doing likewise.

12,013 posted on 03/26/2007 4:21:19 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (For what saith the scripture? (Rom.4:3))
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To: fortheDeclaration
The 16th century was merely a return to that pure doctrine of justification by faith alone

The 16th century was a deformation of the the deformation, not a 'return to that pure doctrine' of justification which Anselm invented.

not what man added to them.

Anselm was a man. Luther was a man. Their theories of justification were not what the Church taught, what the Apostles preached, from the beginning.

Mainline Protestants, contrary to that self-perpetuated myth of sola scriptura, actually do believe the concensus patrum concepts of the Holy Trinity, the dual nature of Chirst, etc. first defined by the Councils.

The Councils also formulated the Creed which many mainline Protestants recite, and the deformed Lutheran concept of justification is not in it.

Nevertheless, the fact is that a branch of the Orthodox church did in fact embrace a catechism that was Protestant in nature, written by a high Orthodox church offical

The Orthodox Church does not operate on catechisms. I have no clue why the Russian Church issued it other then by the devil's deception, trying to imitate the deformed Christianity of the west, to 'look' more 'western' for the outward consumption. No one followed it, no one used it, the Church as a whole (all Orthodox Churches) never accepted it.

The good news is that the Church is liturgical and does not change. It doesn't follow 'catechisms' but liturgy. It doesn't preach 'catechism' but the Gospel. It doesn't read from the 'catechism' but from the Old and the New Testaments.

Philaret was wrong, and un-Orthodox in his claim. Period. St. Gregory of Nyssa was wrong and un-Orthodox in his postulation of universal salvation. Constantinople was wrong and un-Orthodox to embrace iconoclastic heresy. Cyril Lucas was wrong to embrace Protestant heresy.

There were many 'major' errors committed by major humans in the Church. Judas was the first. That does not poison the rest.

What you mean is that [seven ecumenical councils] no one uses them today

Your ignorance is fascianting. As far as I know, the Orthodox Church, in the very strictest sense, holds exclusively to the decisions of those councils, and there was never a time when the Church did not.

As for something being 'binding' I am sure that nothing is truely binding for you, and that you can find justification in believing anything but the truth in those councils.

The Church Christ founded and gave to his Apostles was a conciliar Church from the beginning, always has been, and always will be. Protestant heresy, on the other hand, was a narcissistic, individualistic man-made "church" and so persists to this day, based on individual interpretations, equating individual opinions with the word of God through the 'indwelling Spirit.'

The fallen angels have been deceived and are following Satan to eternal damnation. And many religious people are doing likewise

The good news is that one can awlays return to the Church Christ gave us in 33 AD and follow Him in the other direction rather than being one's own amateur tour guide.

12,022 posted on 03/26/2007 7:47:45 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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