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To: Quester
Good morning, Quester.

Yes, it is a matter of faith. Catholics have faith that the Church was established by Christ and that He continues to guide it, to include the formation of the Scripture canon. We do not believe that the Catholic Church is a mere human organization. We realize that there are weeds among the wheat. God will harvest when He is ready. Thus, the Church on earth consists of not only those who are "true" believers, but also those who are nominal believers, such as Christ discusses in Mat 7:21. Now, who are the elect? We won't know that answer until we stand before Christ and are judged.

Perhaps that is the difference and why we talk past each other. Many Protestants consider only "true" believers as members of the Church, which is synonymous with the elect (which would be an invisible body), while Catholics consider a person baptized as part of the Church (making the Church visible to the world) - while again, the elect are unknown in this life. The Catholic view takes into account the parables of Jesus and discussing the Kingdom, consisting of weeds and wheat, good and bad fish, and so forth.

Your comments?

Regards

1,200 posted on 12/12/2006 10:52:30 AM PST by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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To: jo kus
Perhaps that is the difference and why we talk past each other. Many Protestants consider only "true" believers as members of the Church, which is synonymous with the elect (which would be an invisible body), while Catholics consider a person baptized as part of the Church (making the Church visible to the world) - while again, the elect are unknown in this life. The Catholic view takes into account the parables of Jesus and discussing the Kingdom, consisting of weeds and wheat, good and bad fish, and so forth.

Your comments?


Yes ... I will presume to speak for Protestants in saying that we do, indeed, regard only "true believers" ... as members of Christ's church (i.e. the ecclesia or "called out ones").

Unbelievers may participate, to an extent, ... in the context of the church, ... but are not considered members of the church ... until they declare their personal belief.

1,228 posted on 12/12/2006 1:40:27 PM PST by Quester
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