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To: jo kus
I have never heard anyone make the connection of Enoch or Elijah as a representative of the entire people of God. They were individuals - they do not indicate to us that WE TOO will follow.

I didn't expect you to get it.

The discussion was about the assumption of Mary your church professes. My point was straightforward. We have only 2 examples in Scripture of human beings that did not suffer death, Enoch and Elijah. The theory of Mary's assumption is not in Scripture. If you wish to build a doctrine around assumption and it's significance you should look to those that actually were assumed into heaven.

11,974 posted on 03/25/2007 9:44:41 AM PDT by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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To: wmfights; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; P-Marlowe
It seems like what happened with the declaring of Mary sinless, the next logical step, was to have her go straight up to heaven without passing go.

Then that led to well if she did all that, she must be greater than God. After all she gave birth to her own Creator. So she must be the Queen of Heaven. Although Isis had that role and God through Jeremiah said not to worship such a one, the Catholics want to bake cakes to her and eat them too.

Jer 44:17

But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

Besides it's a tradition.

11,976 posted on 03/25/2007 10:01:27 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (I demand the right to be Islamophobic)
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To: wmfights
The theory of Mary's assumption is not in Scripture. If you wish to build a doctrine around assumption and it's significance you should look to those that actually were assumed into heaven.

Sure it is. To those who have eyes, it is as clear as day. Mary is the archtype of the immaculate and pure Church that has fully realized its eschatological end. Elijah has nothing to do with the community ascending to heaven - the Jews didn't even believe in an after-life when Elijah was taken away anyway...

If you don't see it in Revelation 12 that the "woman" is Mary AND the Church, what can I say?

Regards

11,984 posted on 03/25/2007 5:44:43 PM PDT by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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